Understanding Electromagnetic Wave at a Perfect Conducting Wall

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electromagnetic waves at the interface of a perfect conducting wall. Participants explore the implications of boundary conditions on the electric and magnetic fields, particularly focusing on the nature of the reflected wave when an incident plane wave encounters a perfect conductor. The scope includes theoretical considerations in electrodynamics and the mathematical formulation of wave behavior at boundaries.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assumption that the reflected wave must also be a plane wave, suggesting that other forms could satisfy the boundary conditions.
  • Another participant clarifies that for a perfect conductor, the electric field must be zero at the surface, leading to the conclusion that the reflected wave must be the negative of the incident wave.
  • It is noted that the reflected wave must satisfy the same wave equation as the incident wave, but this does not constrain its form to a plane wave.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of the continuity condition and how it allows for various possible forms of the reflected wave.
  • Some participants emphasize the symmetry of the problem as a factor that influences the nature of the reflected wave.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the reflected wave must be a plane wave or if other forms could also satisfy the boundary conditions. There is no consensus on the nature of the reflected wave, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the assumptions made about the nature of the reflected wave depend on the specific conditions of the problem, including the properties of the perfect conductor and the characteristics of the incident wave. The discussion remains open to various interpretations and models.

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I am having a problem understanding a thing in a electrodynamics problem.
Imagine we have a wall at x=0 made of a perfect conducting material. Imagine now we have an electromagnetic wave traveling perpendicular to the wall with the electric field polarized in the y direction and the magnetic field polarized in the z direction. The wave is an electromagnetic plane wave such that E=Eo cos(wt-kx). My question is when the wave hits the wall, the electrical field must be continuous at the interface between the air and the wall since it is zero on the wall it must be zero at x=0 and that gives us the condition that the reflected wave in th eplane x=0 must be Er=Eor.cos(-wt) but as far as I know there is no reason to guess what will be the dependence on x, I mean why should I assume it will be a plane wave like the incident one? Do I have any reason to believe that?

Thank you for your time.
 
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You seem to have several jumbled thoughts here. Let's see if we can straighten them out. First, for a perfect conductor (which is unphysical but a good approximation), there is zero electric field inside the conductor, and right at the surface of the conductor but outside it, the tangential components of the electric field are zero, and the normal component of the electric field is typically non-zero. The standard infinite transverse em plane wave is really only a special case of em wave that exists in unbounded free space. Obviously, as the plane wave approaches the conductor, there is an interaction with the conductor (induced currents which re-radiate), so a simple transverse plane wave solution is not sufficient anymore. But you can show that the reflected wave off a flat perfect conductor will become a transverse plane wave again far from the conductor. The symmetry of the problem is what dictates this.
 
In order for E to be zero at x=0, the reflected wave must be the negative of the incident wave at every instant. This makes the reflected wave exactly the negative of the incident wave, but moving to the left.
 
Well what I mean is for example if the reflected wave was Er=-Eo cos(wt)*e^23x which is indeed diffrent from a plane wave the continuity condition would still be valid so why not saying that that one is the reflected wave, I mean in what should I base the assumption that the reflected wave is still a plane wave? So chrisbaird the assumption that the reflected wave is a plane wave is An Aproximation?
Thank you for your help
 
The reflected wave has to satisfy the same wave equation as the incident wave.
 
Well but that doesn't tell me much about the wave... Then the reflected wave just has to let the total field be zero at the interface and it has to satisfy the wave equation... And it let's me with a lot of possibilities...so I don't really know how the reflected wave is right? I just know it has to obbey the conditions I mentioned right?
 
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