Understanding Electron Spin: Clarifying Misconceptions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of electron spin, addressing common misconceptions and exploring the nature of spin measurements in quantum mechanics. Participants examine the implications of measuring spin on different axes and the relationship between measurement and the state of the electron's spin.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that electron spin is not literally spinning but is a convenient term for a quantum number that can be either up or down, and that this value is not determined until measurement.
  • Another participant questions whether an electron has spin on three axes simultaneously or if it only has spin on a single axis at any given time, depending on the measurement.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that measuring spin on one axis does not imply that the spin on other axes is unknown; rather, it suggests that the spin is in a superposition state on those axes.
  • One participant provides a reference to a related discussion on Bell inequalities, indicating a connection to the measurement problem in quantum mechanics.
  • Another participant clarifies that quantum spin is quantized angular momentum, drawing an analogy to classical mechanics, but notes that it cannot be fully described in classical terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electron spin and the implications of measurement, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the nature of spin in relation to measurement and superposition, as well as the implications of classical analogies in understanding quantum phenomena.

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I just want to clear up something about electron spin to see if I have it correctly. As far as I understand it is it not really spinning but it's just a convenient word and what it denotes is the the particular quantum number is either up or down. Now I think I've got it right to say that this value is not determined until it is measured and the measurement then forces the electron to choose either up or down on the axis which it is measured.

I further understand it that once the spin is measured on a particular axis that the spin on the other two axes cannot be known. What I am not sure of is if an electron has 'spin' on three different axes at once but only one can be measured and therefore known at one time. Or if it in fact it only ever has spin on a single axis and whatever axis is measured the electron then becomes either spin up or down on that axis.

I hope that is clear with regards to my question.
 
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Take a look at the "Binney's interpretation of Violation of Bell Inequalities" thread...

The discussion there covers the question of how the axes relate to the measurement.
 
I hope this helps:
 
bland said:
I just want to clear up something about electron spin to see if I have it correctly. As far as I understand it is it not really spinning but it's just a convenient word and what it denotes is the the particular quantum number is either up or down

Quantum spin is quantised spin angular momentum in analogy with classical mechanics:
https://faculty.washington.edu/seattle/physics227/reading/reading-24-25.pdf

Its like the quantum analogue of any classical thing such as momentum - its not really describable in classical terms.

Thanks
Bill
 
I wouldn't say that measuring the spin on one axis implies not knowing the spin on other axes. Rather, measuring the spin in one axis implies that the spin is in a superposition state on other axes. You don't know what you would get if you measured on another axis, projecting to a particular eigenstate, but, without measuring, you do know that it is in a superposition state, which is totally different from not knowing the state at all.
 

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