Understanding Forces and Accelerations with respect to pump systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between static pressure, force, and acceleration in pump systems, particularly in the context of how pumps operate within closed systems and the forces they must overcome, such as gravity. Participants explore theoretical concepts and practical implications related to pump head, pressure losses, and flow rates.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the confusion regarding the relationship between pressure (P), force (F), and acceleration, questioning how a constant force could lead to constant velocity in pump systems.
  • Another participant asks why a pump is necessary in a closed system and challenges the understanding of what the pump is pushing against.
  • A different participant suggests that when pumping water from a source, the pump must overcome gravitational forces, indicating a need to consider pressure head and potential losses in the system.
  • One participant provides a specific example of how the force of gravity relates to the water head and static back pressure acting on the pump discharge, offering a numerical perspective on pressure head calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of pumps in closed systems and the conceptual understanding of forces involved, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the explanations provided.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of forces in pump systems and the definitions of pressure head and static pressure may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings in the discussion.

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I am familiar with the idea of pump head and system pressure losses, pump curves etc.

However, a friend was asking about the relationship between static pressure, force and acceleration.

For example, if the pump supplies a certain pressure (P) at a given flow rate, is there not a force which corresponds to that pressure (similar to P=F/A). The problem is, that if there is a constant force being applied, that would imply a constant acceleration. In reality, most systems have a constant velocity.

I know the logic is wrong, but I am having trouble explaining why, or pinpointing the reason.

Thanks for your help! :thumbs:
 
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In a closed system, why is a pump needed at all? What is the pump pushing against? Answer that and you'll have your answer.
 
Well if, say, the pump is used to pump water out of a lake or a well, would it need to overcome the 'force' of gravity?

I've always thought about it in terms of pressure head and making sure the available head is greater than the potential losses (frictional + elevation changes).

Basically I never really though about pumps/piping systems in terms of forces per se, and I'm having trouble explaining why.
 
The force of gravity is the water head between the pump elevation and the water discharge point. For example: For water, the head pressure is approximately 0.5 psi per ft of lift height; so, if the water discharge height is 50 ft above the pump then the static water back pressure acting upon the pump discharge will be 25 psig.
 
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