Understanding Free Body Diagrams: How to Determine Angle Placement?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of free body diagrams in physics, particularly focusing on the placement of angles in relation to forces acting on objects in different scenarios. Participants are exploring how to accurately represent forces and their directions in diagrams, especially in the context of problems involving slopes and normal forces.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the importance of attaching axes to bodies based on their motion and question how to determine the placement of angles in free body diagrams. There is confusion about why angles are represented differently in similar-looking problems, leading to inquiries about the forces acting on the bodies and their respective directions.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on how to approach free body diagrams. Some have provided insights into the forces involved and the need to consider the direction of motion. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the orientation of axes and the relationship between normal forces and gravitational forces, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with two specific problems involving a skier and a ski racer on slopes, which have led to questions about the representation of forces and angles in their free body diagrams. There is mention of neglecting friction in one scenario, which may influence the discussion on forces.

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So I'm a little confused about free body diagrams. I understand the concept, but when it comes to drawing, how do you know where the angle goes? I don't know if this is obvious, but physics is not really my cup of tea... Thanks in advance.
 
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Attach the axis to the body so that the x-axis is in the direction of the motion of the body.
 
But how come sometimes, the angle is above the x-axis with the normal force and other times it's drawn below with gravity even though the picture given looks the same in different problems?
 
You have to draw the free body diagram for individual body. Identify all forces acting on the body. Depending on the direction of the motion, each one will be different form each other. If you can post a problem, I can help you.
 
Ok, here's two problems with similar pictures, but in the first free body diagram, the angle is below the x-axis and in the second, the angle is above the x-axis. I'm really confused about that.

1. A skier of mass 65 kg glides down a slope at angle = 32. Find the skier's acceleration and the force the snow exerts on the skier. The snow is so slipper you can neglect friction.

2. A starting gate acts horizontally to restrain a 60-kg ski racer on a frictionless 30-degree slope. What horizontal force does the starting gate apply to the skier?
 
1)Skier move in the downward direction So x-axis is parallel to slope.
What are the forces acting on the skier?
i) mg*sinθ along the slope.
ii) mg*cosθ perpendicular to the slope.
iii) Normal force due to the slope.
Net force is along the slope.
2) It is similar to the first one. Only addition is the horizontal gate.
mg*sinθ is the force exerted by the skier on the gate along the slope.
Now attach the axis to the gate. x-axis horizontal . Find the horizontal component of mg*sinθ. That will the reaction of the gate on the skier.
 
But for the second problem, it says that the x component is -horizontal F + nsin(theta)=0 and the y component is ncos(theta) - mg=0
 
smg528 said:
But for the second problem, it says that the x component is -horizontal F + nsin(theta)=0 and the y component is ncos(theta) - mg=0
Here what is n? What is its expression?
 
n is the normal force
 
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In the second problem, what is the orientation of x an y-axis?
You say that y-component is n*cosθ - mg = 0. That means n > mg. How is that? Normal force must appear in pair. Which one is action and which one is reaction?
 

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