Tosh5457
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My teacher's notes don't explain this. What are free and bound charges, and why are the H and D field defined like they are?
The discussion revolves around the concepts of free and bound charges in the context of electric displacement (D) and magnetic field (H) definitions. Participants explore the implications of these definitions in various physical scenarios, including their relevance in macroscopic Maxwell's equations, the role of matter in introducing asymmetries, and the relationship between polarization and charge density.
Participants express multiple competing views regarding the definitions and implications of free and bound charges, as well as the relevance of D and H fields. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached on the best approach or understanding of these concepts.
Some statements raise issues regarding dimensional consistency and the definitions of various quantities, indicating potential limitations in the proposed models and definitions discussed.
Tosh5457 said:And how to arrive at the expression:
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Well, your "definition" has several issues:DrDu said:Dickfore, I think this whole description of polarization in terms of dipole densities of bound charges is very outdated. The polarisation can be defined as P(t)=\int_{-\infty}^{t}j(t) where j(t) is the microscopic charge density. "Macroscopic" values of P or D or epsilon are simply obtained considering the low wavenumber components of its Fourier transform.
Dickfore said:Well, your "definition" has several issues:
- What is your integration variable t?
- As is writen, your formula is dimensionally inconsistent
- The polarization is a vector, whereas charge density is a scalar. So, the formula is also rotationally inconsistent.
DrDu said:t is time, and j is the vector of electric current. So no inconsistency.
Dickfore said:EDIT:
There needs to be a correction to the formula for the bound current density as the curl of magnetization. Namely, it is only valid if the polarization is time-independent.
DrDu said:My point is that it is somewhat artificial to distinguish between bound and free charges. Even relatively localized bonds, like e.g. in silicon form bands which are spread out over the whole solid and this delocalization effects the dielectric function.
Dickfore said:This is wrong. Bands are spread out in energy, not position.