Understanding Free Fall: Explained in Simple Terms | K.I.S.I.S."

  • Context: High School 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Grimstone
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Explanation Request
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of free fall, specifically addressing the acceleration due to gravity and the time it takes for an object to fall a certain distance. Participants explore the implications of different values for acceleration and the effects of air resistance on falling objects.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the acceleration of free fall, questioning the implication of 93 feet per second squared and its effect on speed after a few seconds.
  • Another participant clarifies that the standard acceleration due to gravity is approximately 32 feet per second squared, contrasting it with the incorrect value mentioned.
  • A suggestion is made to use an online calculator for conversions to SI units, indicating a need for clarity in unit usage.
  • One participant agrees with a previously mentioned approximate value and attempts to explain the concept of free fall acceleration, emphasizing that 93 feet per second squared is significantly higher than the actual value.
  • Another participant proposes that 93 feet per second may refer to terminal velocity, discussing how long it would take to fall a mile at that speed.
  • A mathematical solution is presented, calculating the time to fall one mile under the assumption of constant acceleration, yielding a result of approximately 18.11 seconds.
  • Another participant notes that the earlier calculations do not account for terminal velocity, suggesting that both scenarios (constant acceleration and terminal velocity) can yield different results based on assumptions.
  • One participant reflects on the importance of clearly stating assumptions in physics compared to other fields like philosophy, where assumptions may be less explicit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the values of acceleration and the conditions of free fall, with some supporting the idea of terminal velocity while others focus on free fall without air resistance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which scenario applies to the example presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about air resistance and the conditions of the fall, which affect the calculations and interpretations of the results. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in definitions and conditions when discussing free fall.

Grimstone
Messages
66
Reaction score
0
I had this elaborate example all set up to lay my question out. and I can hear my x wife in my head. "you over think everything"

So here is my question.
I do not understand free falls 93feet/sec /second.
this sounds to me that Tim would be doing 279 feet per second after only 3 seconds. ??:confused:


If Tim fell 1 mile. how long till he reached ground?

Please. K.I.S.I.S keep it simple I'm stupid.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Grimstone said:
So here is my question.
I do not understand free falls 93feet/sec /second.
The acceleration of a free falling body (ignoring air resistance) is about 32 ft/sec/sec.
 
I agree with Doc Al's approximate value.

To Grimstone (a small explanation, hopefully I can help in case you are confused about free fall stuff): The meaning of 32 ft/sec/sec is essentially the acceleration of the object in free-fall. This value is simply due to Earth's gravity.

If free-fall acceleration was 93 ft/sec/sec as you said, then yes the object would be doing 279 feet per second after only 3 seconds. (But this value for the acceleration is roughly three times more than what it actually is for Earth).

Lastly, about Tim falling a mile, and how much time this would take: To work this out, you need to do a bit of calculus, or use the equations for constant acceleration (the suvat equations, was the name used when they were taught to me).
 
Perhaps Grimstone meant that terminal velocity, the speed at which air resistance equals the force of gravity so we have a constant speed, is 93 feet per second (not "per second per second). At 93 feet per second, it would take 279/93= 3 seconds to fall 279 feet. At that terminal velocity, it would take Tim 5280/93= 56.8 seconds to fall a mile- almost a minute. Of course, Tim isn't really going to be concerned about that!
 
poor tim. he will always be remembered.
 
BruceW said:
poor tim. he will always be remembered.

as the man who sacrificed himself to create a slightly more interesting math problem.
 
my answer is 18.11 secs??
 
here's my solution
1mi=5280 ft
y=-1/2gt^2
-5280 = -1/2(32.2)t^2

t^2= -5280/(-16.1)

t^2 = 327.95

t=18.11 secs...
 
  • #10
looks good to me.
 
  • #11
killme22 said:
here's my solution
1mi=5280 ft
y=-1/2gt^2
-5280 = -1/2(32.2)t^2

t^2= -5280/(-16.1)

t^2 = 327.95

t=18.11 secs...

You forget, he is at terminal velocity! It is not an acceleration problem, but one of constant velocity.
 
  • #12
Yes, Grimstone's tim is traveling at terminal velocity, and killme22's tim is falling without air resistance. I forgot the earlier posts. Both answers are right really, but it depends on the assumptions made. That's one of the things I like about physics, the assumptions we use can often be explicitly stated. But in philosophy, literature, e.t.c. the assumptions are often vague or not explicitly stated.
 
  • #13
That'll be why Philosophers couldn't put a Rover on Mars - but they could discuss the significance all night.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
7K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
7K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
11K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
4K