Understanding Friction: Causes and Confusions in Physics Explained

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of friction, particularly static and dynamic friction, and how these forces interact with objects on a conveyor belt at an angle. Participants explore the implications of different materials and forces acting on the object, raising questions about the definitions and roles of applied forces in the context of friction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the assertion that static friction force is zero without an applied force, using the example of an object on a conveyor belt at a 30-degree angle.
  • Another participant suggests that gravity acts as an applied force on the object along the surface of the conveyor belt.
  • A different viewpoint is introduced regarding the effect of changing the material of the conveyor belt, indicating that a smoother surface could lead to the object sliding down.
  • There is a clarification that gravity remains the applied force even if the object slides down the conveyor belt.
  • One participant notes that the object on the conveyor belt is not stationary relative to an Earth-fixed frame, implying a different perspective on motion and friction.
  • A later reply acknowledges a previous response as not addressing the original question, emphasizing the importance of clarity in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of gravity as an applied force and the impact of surface materials on friction. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully clarified the definitions of static and dynamic friction in relation to their examples, and assumptions regarding the conditions of the conveyor belt and object are not explicitly stated.

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In my physics book it says: "If there were no applied force (F), then Static friction force will be 0."

What confuses me is this, what if an object was sitting on a conveyer belt moving at a 30 degree angle, for instance. What causes that object to remain on the conveyer belt? obviously the friction between the object and the belt? Am i mixing up coefficient of friction and static frictional force?

thanks for your time
 
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Gravity then plays the role of applied force (i.e, a force from somewhere else acting upon the object ALONG the surface).
 
yeah but what if you change the material being used for the conveyer belt? Then obviously more variables (besides the weight of the object) are introduced. Let's say that a smoother surface is used. The object will now slide down.
 
How does that change gravity from being the "applied" force which was what you were asking about? :confused:
 
Yes. That's dynamic friction. [response was to shayrgob]
 
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An addendum:
Even if the object slides down, graviry is still to be regarded as the "applied" force.
 
Cyrus said:
Thats because an object on a conveyor belt is not stationary, relative to an Earth fixed frame.

wanna elaborate?
 
Sorry, Arildno already answered your question. I answered something you did not ask, so I deleted it. What I said is not wrong, its just not addressing your question. (Find out the answer to your question first, before moving on to what I said. I don't want to confuse you).
 

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