Understanding Hook's Law and Compression of Springs

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The discussion revolves around understanding Hook's Law in the context of a spring being compressed by a force. The original poster presents a problem involving a spring with a specified spring constant and force applied, questioning the relevance of the original length of the spring and the implications of the negative sign in Hook's Law.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore why the original length of the spring does not affect the calculation of compression and discuss the meaning of the negative sign in Hook's Law. There is an inquiry into whether an unstretched spring exerts a force and the focus is on the displacement from the natural length of the spring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing with participants providing insights into the nature of Hook's Law and the factors that influence the force exerted by a spring. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the relevance of the spring's original length and the meaning of the variables in the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are operating under the assumption that the spring follows Hookean behavior, and there is a focus on the relationship between force and displacement without resolving the final length of the spring after compression.

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Homework Statement



If a person holds a 30cm spring and compress on it with a force of 100 N (where k = 1000 N/m), by how much is the spring shortened.

Homework Equations




Hooks ' Law: F = -k* deltaX

The Attempt at a Solution



The answer for this is 10 cm: 10 = -1000 * deltaX

Why doesn't the length of the original spring matter here? Also, how does the "-" sign affect Hook's Law here in this problem.
 
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Gear2d said:
Why doesn't the length of the original spring matter here? Also, how does the "-" sign affect Hook's Law here in this problem.
Let's turn it around, why do you think that the unstretched spring should matter? Does an unstretched spring exert a force?

The negative sign simply indicates that the force exerted by the spring is in the opposite direction to the compression/extension.
 
Hootenanny said:
Let's turn it around, why do you think that the unstretched spring should matter? Does an unstretched spring exert a force?

The negative sign simply indicates that the force exerted by the spring is in the opposite direction to the compression/extension.

What you are saying is that here they are looking for how much the spring was compressed by, not the final length of the spring after compression (which is 20cm?).
 
Gear2d said:
What you are saying is that here they are looking for how much the spring was compressed by, not the final length of the spring after compression (which is 20cm?).
Yes, the force exerted by a [hookean] spring depends only on the displacement from it's natural length. The 'delta x' in Hooke's law represents the change in length of the spring, the initial and final lengths of the string are irrelevant.
 
Hootenanny said:
Yes, the force exerted by a [hookean] spring depends only on the displacement from it's natural length. The 'delta x' in Hooke's law represents the change in length of the spring, the initial and final lengths of the string are irrelevant.



Thanks Hootenanny
 

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