Understanding Ideal Gas Equation: Tips for Solving Pressure Problems

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The discussion revolves around the ideal gas equation and the calculation of pressure based on given variables such as volume, number of moles, gas constant, and temperature. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the interpretation of the results.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of pressure using the ideal gas law and express uncertainty about the correctness of their results. Questions are raised regarding the units of pressure and the significance of the calculated value. There is also a suggestion to use scientific notation for easier estimation and verification of results.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the importance of unit consistency and the conceptual understanding of pressure. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of scientific notation and the need for intuition about physical quantities, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

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Participants are grappling with the interpretation of pressure values and the physical meaning behind them, particularly in relation to atmospheric pressure. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in visualizing pressure compared to more tangible measurements.

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Hi,
Im having problems with my ideal gas equations. I am able to do the actual equation but when I comes to the answer, I have difficuly understanding.
Here is an example.
If i want to discover the pressure...

V-1000litres
n-800moles
r-0.08206
t-373kelvin
Pressure-?

Now the answer my calculator gets is 24.486704.

Now, I am not sure if this is correct, it doesn't look right to me, the pressure is too low. Do i have to move the decimal point? Is the pressure really 244.86704?

Help me out please!
Cheers.
 
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What units is that pressure in?

It is good practice to always carry the units associated with physical numbers. You can use the units to verify answers. If you do not get the right units on a result, then you have a error some where.
 
It's difficult to have good intuition about pressure.
Do you know about scientific notation - where you write numbers as powers of ten?
Then you can quickly check your working to an order of magnitude.
V=1e3 n=8e2 r=8e-2 t=3.7e2
pv=nrt so p =nrt/v
= 8e2 * 8e-2 * 3.7e2 / 1e3 = 64*3.7e-1 = 64*0.3 = 24

When doing calculations, always check the units are the same and do an order of magnitude estimate.

Hint - what units is your volume in?
 
In order to get an intuition for the ideal has laws it's very helpful to have the "atom picture" in your head. Meaning that pressure is the combined force of all the atoms pushing against the box by random collisions with it. Make the box smaller - the collisions are more frequent. Raise the temperture - the atoms move faster and hit harder. Fenyman explains it well in "Lectures on Physics".
 
daniel_i_l said:
In order to get an intuition for the ideal has laws it's very helpful to have the "atom picture" in your head.

I meant it's difficult to picture what 1 Pascals means in the same way that you can picture 1kg or 1m, it's less tangible.

Is 800moles in 1000l a lot of material or very little - without working out the answer all you can do is compare it to atmospheric pressure.
 

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