Understanding Integration: Simplifying Logarithms and Exponents

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The discussion revolves around the integration of functions involving logarithms and exponentials. Participants are exploring the relationship between integration and logarithmic functions, particularly in the context of specific integrals and their evaluations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why logarithmic functions appear in the integration of certain expressions, particularly 1/x. There are questions about the correct evaluation of integrals and the reasoning behind the results provided in answers. Some participants express confusion over their own calculations and seek clarification on the integration process.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the integration concepts, with some participants acknowledging their misunderstandings. Guidance has been offered regarding the definition of logarithmic functions and their derivatives, but no consensus has been reached on the specific integrals in question. The discussion remains open, with participants actively seeking further clarification.

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One participant notes that the problem is from an older exam and expresses uncertainty about the relevance of certain integration techniques based on their current coursework. There is also mention of a divide by zero issue that is being acknowledged but not fully resolved in the discussion.

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i know how to integrate.

but why is 3/x 3 log x3x^-1 3 x^0 X^0 = 1 3*1 = 3.

i know I'm ignoring the divide by zero

why does log come into it.

4e^(1/2) I am messing this one up as well.4e^(3/2) / (3/2)

= 8/3e^(3/2) that's like as far as i get it.

somehow the answers have it at 8e^1/2

can anyone explain how that is so
 
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Try differentiating your answer and the correct answer and see what you get (each with respect to x of course). In which case do you get the function you started off with?
 
I already know that mine is wrong and theirs is right, I just don't know how to get to their answer. >.<

k : i don't know all rules of integration apparently integral of 1/x = logx

still need help on 2nd one though
 
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Re-write your original post, it's very hard to interpret!
 
Well, obviously, your answer is wrong precisely because you are "ignoring that divide by 0".

One way to show that "log(x)" comes into it is to define log(x) as
[tex]\int_1^x \frac{dx}{x}[/tex]
That is done in some textbooks.

Or you can define log(x) to be the inverse function to ex. Then if y= ln(x), x= ey. Differentiating both sides by x, 1= ey dy/dx or dy/dx= 1/ey. Since ey= x, that is dy/dx= 1/x.

Since the derivative of log(x) is 1/x, the anti-derivative (indefinite integral) of log(x) is 1/x+ C.
 
this is a 5 year old exam, i assume the anti-derivatives don't come on my exam now, as the teacher hasnt taught them and they arnt on the last few year exams.

so il leave it for now. =)
 

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