Understanding Limits at Infinity and Non-Existence of Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem concerning the behavior of a function and its derivative at infinity. The original poster seeks to find a function f(x) that is differentiable for all x > 0, approaches a limit of 2 as x approaches infinity, while having a derivative that does not converge as x approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of having a horizontal asymptote and the meaning of a non-existent limit for the derivative. There is an exploration of modifying trigonometric functions to meet the problem's criteria.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to construct a suitable function, suggesting the use of oscillating functions with decreasing amplitude. The original poster has proposed a potential solution, and feedback on this attempt has been provided, indicating some errors in the derivative calculation.

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The original poster is a beginner in calculus, which may influence the depth of understanding and the complexity of the discussion. There is an acknowledgment of the challenge posed by the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hello everyone, I am just new to this forum and also a beginner at calculus.
I have a question from my textbook. It's:
Find an example of f(x) that satisfies the following conditions :
f(x) is differentiable for all x>0;
limx->∞f(x) =2;
limx->∞f'(x) does not exist;

I think that if f(x) satisfies the second condition it must have a horizontal tangent at infinity,which means f'(x) = 0 at infinity, am I right? and what does "f'(x) does not exist" really mean?
Thanks in advance.

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matts0 said:

Homework Statement


Hello everyone, I am just new to this forum and also a beginner at calculus.
I have a question from my textbook. It's:
Find an example of f(x) that satisfies the following conditions :
f(x) is differentiable for all x>0;
limx->∞f(x) =2;
limx->∞f'(x) does not exist;

I think that if f(x) satisfies the second condition it must have a horizontal tangent at infinity,which means f'(x) = 0 at infinity, am I right? and what does "f'(x) does not exist" really mean?
Thanks in advance.

You are right about the horizontal asymptote (not horizontal "tangent") of y = 2 as x → ∞. And many graphs you have seen to have the curve "leveling out" as the graph approaches the asymptote, in which case you would have

[tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow \infty}f'(x)=0[/tex]

What you need to do is find an example that has the y = 2 asymptote but the slope doesn't get close to 0, maybe because it "wobbles back and forth", to phrase it informally.
 
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Welcome to the PH Forums !

It doesn't say f'(x) does not exist.

It says limx➙∞f'(x) does not exist.

If you're just beginning Calculus, this problem could be difficult.

You are correct as far as rational functions are concerned.

Try to modify a sine or cosine function, so that its amplitude decreases as x➙∞ , but oscillates more and more rapidly as x➙∞ . If it oscillates rapidly enough, then the derivative may oscillate with constant or increasing amplitude. Therefore, the limit derivative will not converge as x➙∞ .

See the image of a graph of such a first derivative, f'(x).
attachment.php?attachmentid=39296&stc=1&d=1317059429.gif
...Plotted in WolframAlpha.
 

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Actually I confused "tangent" with "asymptote"... Thanks for the help from both of you.
 
So, what did you come up with for f(x) ?
 
I came up with this :
f(x)=2+sin(x3)/x
so f'(x) = sin(x3)/x2-3cos(x3) and it is not stable at infinity because of cos(x3),right?
Please tell me if it is ok or not. Thank you.
 
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Thank you.I should have done more exercises.
and also thanks for introducing WolframAlpha to me. That's really helpful.
 

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