Understanding Lorentz Transformation on Scalar Fields

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The discussion centers around the transformation of scalar fields under Lorentz transformations, exploring different notations and definitions found in various texts, particularly in the context of quantum field theory. Participants seek clarification on the implications of these transformations and the notation used.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an explanation of how a scalar field changes under a Lorentz transformation, expressing confusion over different notations.
  • Another participant states that if ##x'=\Lambda x##, then the transformation law for a scalar field is given by $$\phi'(x')=\phi(x)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x').$$
  • Several participants note a discrepancy between their understanding and the definition presented in Peskin's book, specifically regarding the use of primes in notation.
  • One participant suggests that the expressions discussed are equivalent to $$\phi'(Fred)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} Fred),$$ but questions the meaning of the prime notation in Peskin's context.
  • Another participant clarifies that renaming ##x'## back to ##x## leads to the formula in Peskin and Schroeder, but questions the implications of mixing primed and unprimed variables.
  • There is a discussion about the arbitrary nature of choosing which frame is moving and which is stationary, with some participants expressing confusion over Peskin's notation.
  • One participant emphasizes that the formula itself is unique and can be expressed with different variable names, but notes the importance of the prime notation on the field symbol.
  • There is a confirmation that the argument of ##\phi'## is always viewed from the moving frame S'.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the notation and definitions related to Lorentz transformations of scalar fields. There is no consensus on the implications of the prime notation as used in Peskin's book, and confusion remains regarding the mixing of primed and unprimed variables.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding due to differing definitions and notations across sources, as well as the potential for ambiguity in the choice of frames in Lorentz transformations.

Silviu
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Hello! Can someone explain to me how does a scalar field changes under a Lorentz transformation? I found different notations in different places and I am a bit confused. Thank you!
 
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If ##x'=\Lambda x##, where ##\Lambda## is a Lorentz-transformation matrix, then a scalar field obeys by definition the transformation law
$$\phi'(x')=\phi(x)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x').$$
 
vanhees71 said:
If ##x'=\Lambda x##, where ##\Lambda## is a Lorentz-transformation matrix, then a scalar field obeys by definition the transformation law
$$\phi'(x')=\phi(x)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x').$$
Thank you for your reply. This makes sense. However I found in Peskin's book on QFT a definition that is different from yours by a prime ( ' ) - I attached a screenshot of it. That is what got me confused. Do you know what does he mean by his notation?
 

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Silviu said:
Thank you for your reply. This makes sense. However I found in Peskin's book on QFT a definition that is different from yours by a prime ( ' ) - I attached a screenshot of it. That is what got me confused. Do you know what does he mean by his notation?

The expression that vanhees71 wrote is equivalent to the expression in Peskin and Schroeder, and both expressions are equivalent to

$$ \phi'(Fred)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} Fred).$$

Why?
 
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George Jones said:
The expression that vanhees71 wrote is equivalent to the expression in Peskin and Schroeder, and both expressions are equivalent to

$$ \phi'(Fred)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} Fred).$$

Why?
Sorry I am a bit confused. What is primed and what is unprimed?
 
Just read the equation as a whole. My final equation was
$$\phi'(x')=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x').$$
Now rename ##x'## back to ##x##, and you get Peskin Schroeder's formula. You can name it "Fred" as suggested in #4 (although that's a bit unusual ;-)).
 
vanhees71 said:
Just read the equation as a whole. My final equation was
$$\phi'(x')=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x').$$
Now rename ##x'## back to ##x##, and you get Peskin Schroeder's formula. You can name it "Fred" as suggested in #4 (although that's a bit unusual ;-)).
What do you mean by rename? If we have a frame S stationary with respect to the field and S' moving with respect to the field (so ##\phi'## and x' are measured in S') then we have by definition ##\phi'(x')=\phi(x)## and by the Lorentz transformation we also have ##\phi(x)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} x')##. This make sense. But in Peskin he has a mix of both ##\phi'(x)## and this is what confuses me. How does he get to a mix of primed and unprimed indices without a ##\Lambda## factor somwhere? And I am not sure how can you rename x' to x, once you decided which moves and which is fixed. (so to be clear, I understand that choosing prime and unprime as moving or not moving is arbitrary, but Pesking seems to mix them, which confuses me). Thank you for help!
 
The formula of itself is unique. You can name the argument as you like. You can as well write the law as
$$\phi'(y)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} y).$$
Of course, the prime at the field symbol on the left-hand side is crucial!
 
vanhees71 said:
The formula of itself is unique. You can name the argument as you like. You can as well write the law as
$$\phi'(y)=\phi(\Lambda^{-1} y).$$
Of course, the prime at the field symbol on the left-hand side is crucial!
But the argument of ##\phi'## is always seen from S', right?
 
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Yes, sure.
 

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