Understanding Mass and Energy in Special Relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of mass and energy in the context of Einstein's theory of special relativity. Participants explore the implications of traveling at speeds approaching the speed of light, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects of the topic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that as an object approaches the speed of light, its mass and weight increase due to energy considerations.
  • Others clarify that while energy increases, the concept of mass should be approached with caution, emphasizing that the mass referred to is not 'mass' proper but rather an increase in inertia.
  • A participant mentions the importance of the momentum equation p=mγv, where γ is defined as γ=1/√(1-v²/c²), and discusses the implications of this relationship for understanding relativistic effects.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the gamma factor and its role in special relativity, seeking further clarification.
  • Another participant corrects the gamma equation, emphasizing that it should include the speed of light, c, and explains its significance in demonstrating the impossibility of massive objects reaching the speed of light.
  • Several participants recommend resources for learning about relativity, noting that some materials simplify the mathematics involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus among participants regarding the interpretation of mass and energy in special relativity. While some agree on the importance of the gamma factor and its implications, others express confusion and seek clarification, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the mathematics involved in relativity, which may contribute to misunderstandings. There are also references to the need for careful definitions when discussing mass in the relativistic context.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students and individuals interested in learning about special relativity, particularly those seeking to understand the relationship between mass, energy, and speed in a relativistic framework.

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According to Einstein's theory, when an object travels at the same speed as the speed of light, it's mass will be much bigger and it's weight too.
How and why?...because of energy?
 
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Zac Einstein said:
According to Einstein's theory, when an object travels at the same speed as the speed of light, it's mass will be much bigger and it's weight too.
How and why?...because of energy?

It will have an increased energy equivalent to mass, but not 'mass' proper as it pertains to matter-mass. For example, you cannot convert that added 'mass' into new energy to drive a photonic spaceship even faster. This was a conceptual error I made until someone corrected me.
 
Zac Einstein said:
According to Einstein's theory, when an object travels at the same speed as the speed of light, it's mass will be much bigger and it's weight too.
How and why?...because of energy?

A material object can't travel at c. A correct way to state this would be that as you increase an object's speed, its inertia increases. The amount of inertia increase is small if the speed is small compared to c. As the speed approaches c, the inertia approaches infinity.

These days, most physicists prefer not to refer to this effect as a mass increase. Usually we write the relationship as [itex]p=m\gamma v[/itex], where p is momentum, m is the mass, v is the velocity, and [itex]\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-v^2/v^2}[/itex]. The mass m is taken to be constant, and the factor of gamma gives the relativistic effect.

There is a variety of ways of proving this theoretically. One is that if you try to use p=mv without the gamma factor, then collisions that obey conservation of momentum in one frame will not obey conservation of momentum in another, because velocities don't add linearly in relativity.
 
bcrowell said:
These days, most physicists prefer not to refer to this effect as a mass increase. Usually we write the relationship as [itex]p=m\gamma v[/itex], where p is momentum, m is the mass, v is the velocity, and [itex]\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-v^2/v^2}[/itex].

Excuse me sir, I didn't really understand what did you mean by this equation [itex]\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-v^2/v^2}[/itex] and how the factor of gamma gives the relativistic effect, sir? :confused: Ehh! This is really confusing
I'm 15 and they don't teach relativity to Tenth grades but I can't wait until they do so I learned it by myself.

Could you please explain your point again sir? :smile:
 
Zac Einstein said:
Excuse me sir, I didn't really understand what did you mean by this equation [itex]\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-v^2/v^2}[/itex] and how the factor of gamma gives the relativistic effect, sir? :confused: Ehh! This is really confusing
I'm 15 and they don't teach relativity to Tenth grades but I can't wait until they do so I learned it by myself.

Could you please explain your point again sir? :smile:

It's actually supposed to be

[itex]\gamma=1/\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}[/itex],

where c is the speed of light. This factor is central to special relativity and gives you the velocity dependence of quantities like energy or momentum. You immediately see that for v=c, that quantity blows up and becomes infinite. That's one good way to see that approaching c is impossible for massive objects.
 
Oops, thanks for the correction, Polyrhythmic!

Zac Einstein, if you want to learn some relativity, I'd suggest starting with An Illustrated Guide to Relativity by Takeuchi.
 
bcrowell said:
Zac Einstein, if you want to learn some relativity, I'd suggest starting with An Illustrated Guide to Relativity by Takeuchi.

Yes sir, but I understand relativity...but there are some points which are a bit confusing 'cause of the high math level

Thank you, sir :smile:
 
Zac Einstein said:
Yes sir, but I understand relativity...but there are some points which are a bit confusing 'cause of the high math level

Thank you, sir :smile:

The Takeuchi book is nice because it uses only very basic math.
 
bcrowell said:
The Takeuchi book is nice because it uses only very basic math.

Thanks thanks thanks thanks, sir :smile:
 

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