Understanding Natural Logs and e: Simplifying Expressions with ln and e

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying expressions involving natural logarithms and the exponential function, specifically focusing on the expression e^ln(x) + ln(y) under the conditions that x > 0 and y > 0.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the simplification of the expression, questioning the original setup and whether the correct interpretation involves combining logarithmic terms. There is a discussion about the properties of logarithms and exponentials, particularly the relationship between e and ln.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide clarifications regarding the properties of logarithms and exponentials, noting that e^ln(x) simplifies to x. There is an acknowledgment of misunderstandings related to logarithmic identities, and a productive direction is emerging as participants correct each other's interpretations.

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The original poster expresses confusion over their previous answer and the cancellation of terms, indicating a need for deeper understanding of logarithmic properties. There is mention of missing textbook resources that could provide additional context.

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I am starting my first year of college and I reviewing my high school notes from trig pre-cal and there was one thing I couldn't figure out. It was a multiple choice question and I don't have the textbook anymore but the answer I circled I can't understand how I arrived to that answer.

Homework Statement


Given that x> 0 and y> 0, simplify e^ln(x) + ln(y)

The Attempt at a Solution


What I did was:
e^ln(x+y)
e^x+y
and I circled the answer: X+Y, but I get e^x+y which as an answer. All I wrote was ln and e cancel but I don't understand how they cancel.
 
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Do you mean e^(ln(x) + ln(y)) ? If that's the case, then you add the two logarithms to get ln(xy) since the arguments are multiplied in log addition. Then using the fact that e^ln(x) = x, you have e^(ln(xy)) = xy. I'm not sure if that answers your question.

To see why e^ln(x) = x. Remember that ln(x) = log base e of x. Let ln(x) = y. Then converting to exponentiation gives e^y = x, but y = ln(x). Hence e^ln(x) = x.
 
Iron_Brute said:
I am starting my first year of college and I reviewing my high school notes from trig pre-cal and there was one thing I couldn't figure out. It was a multiple choice question and I don't have the textbook anymore but the answer I circled I can't understand how I arrived to that answer.

Homework Statement


Given that x> 0 and y> 0, simplify e^ln(x) + ln(y)
Do you mean e^(ln(x)+ ln(y))? What you wrote is e^(ln(x))+ ln(y).

The Attempt at a Solution


What I did was:
e^ln(x+y)
No, ln(x)+ ln(y) is not equal to ln(x+ y). As snipez90 said, ln(x)+ ln(y)= ln(xy).
Then, of course, e^(ln(xy))= xy since e^x and ln(x) are inverse functions.

e^x+y
and I circled the answer: X+Y, but I get e^x+y which as an answer. All I wrote was ln and e cancel but I don't understand how they cancel.
Another way to do that is to use the fact that e^(a+b)= e^a e^b:
e^(ln(x)+ ln(y))= (e^ln(x))(e^ln(y))= (x)(y)= xy.
 
Thanks for the help. I see where I made my mistake now. I was using the wrong log identities, and misunderstand certain things about natural logs.
 

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