Understanding Non-Bonding Pairs of Electrons

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The discussion revolves around the role of non-bonding pairs of electrons, particularly lone pairs, in molecular bonding and polarity. Participants explore various aspects of non-bonding electrons, including their influence on molecular structure and properties, as well as their implications for exam questions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that non-bonding pairs create repulsions with bonded atoms and other non-bonding pairs.
  • Others argue that non-bonding pairs do not influence molecular polarities because they are not involved in bond formation.
  • One participant claims that lone pairs are responsible for resonance effects in molecules.
  • Another viewpoint is that lone pairs are counted as anti-bonding electrons when calculating bond orders.
  • Some participants assert that lone pairs can affect molecular polarity, with examples such as water being cited.
  • There is a discussion about whether the polarity of water is primarily due to lone pairs or the electronegativity of oxygen.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the role of lone pairs in polarity and bonding, questioning their influence on molecular shape.
  • Another participant states that lone pairs are primarily responsible for hydrogen bonding, which has significant effects on molecular properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of non-bonding pairs on molecular polarity and bonding. There is no consensus on whether non-bonding pairs affect polarity or how they interact with other electrons in a molecule.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding, particularly regarding the definitions and roles of lone pairs versus core electrons. The discussion reflects varying levels of knowledge, with some participants still in high school.

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[SOLVED] Ambiguous bonding question

Like I said it's just an ambiguous bonding question.

Non-bonding pairs of electrons

1. Create repulsions with other bonded atoms and other non-bonded pairs of electrons.

2. Do not influence molecular polarities because they are not involved in the formation of bonds.

3. Are responsible for resonance effects in molecules

4. Are counted as anti-bonding electrons when calculating bond orders of molecules.

5. Are localized on the least electronegative atom.

So I basically eliminated 3-5 as being wrong. But I'm unsure what they mean by non-bonding pairs of electrons. Are they referring solely to lone pairs or are they referring to core electrons. Which is why I'm stuck between 1 and 2. So I could use a little help. Thank you
 
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Ignore the core electrons.
 
So that means that one is correct? Thank you for answering
 
And why not 2?
 
well because if they are lone pairs then they are positioned in a atom in such a way to minimize the repulsions between electrons. Is this not correct? Also I don't see how they could effect molecular polarities. I mean they don't effect polarity
 
So am I right? It doesn't really matter since the exam has passed but I would still like to know for the future.
 
lone pairs are responsible for polarity in many compounds (the majority in fact)

H2O has 2 lone pairs, and is the reason that water is polar - why ice is less dense than water etc...
 
i can't get how the lone pairs are responsible for the polarity of water molecules(aain't you referring to h bonds??!). i always thought that it was because the oxygen is very electronegative; it should only depend on the effective nuclear charge, that is proton number and shielding effect.

lone pairs can build up shielding effect, and in this way affect polarity.

i'm still in high school, so i might be wrong...;)
 
lone pairs of electrons are areas of localized negative charge. That is practically the definition of polarity!
 
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oo right... guess my high school chem is a bit distorted...huh??!
thnks for pointing that out.

but what i said, does it make sense? that, e.g. in water, the oxygen atom attracts the bond pair in the O-H bond towards itself, and hence gets the negative charge. consequently, the hydrogen gets the positive charge. lone pairs have nothing to do except to bend the molecule??

thnks
 
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No. The lone pairs are primarily responsible for hydrogen bonding. A huge effect.
 
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Well the answer was one like I thought and I just realized that my previous post was incorrect. I meant that I don't see how it could not effect the polarities but the do not participate in bonding threw me off. Anyway I got it right and that is all that really matters. So thanks.
 

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