Understanding Phase Angle: Voltage and Current Readings in RLC CCT

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The discussion revolves around understanding the phase angle between voltage and current in an AC circuit with resistive, capacitive, and inductive loads. Participants explore how varying these loads affects voltage and current readings, with a focus on experimental observations and theoretical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about how voltage and current readings can demonstrate phase angle differences across various loads in an AC circuit.
  • Another participant describes an experiment with an AC generator supplying different loads, noting that current and voltage behave differently for capacitive, inductive, and resistive loads.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the type of circuit used (series RLC vs. purely resistive/reactive) and the meaning of 'load' in this context.
  • A participant mentions that in an ideal AC voltage source, changes in load should not affect voltage, attributing observed changes to the source's internal impedance.
  • Concerns are raised about the phase difference between voltage and current, with one participant asking for clarification on this aspect.
  • Another participant suggests that understanding the behavior of the generator requires consideration of its voltage regulation settings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the behavior of voltage and current in relation to phase angle and load changes, with no consensus reached on the implications of their observations or the theoretical underpinnings.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the effects of load changes on voltage and current without resolving the underlying assumptions about circuit behavior, the nature of the AC generator, or the specifics of phase angle measurement.

Elliot_Bennett
How can taking voltage and current readings from an AC supplied CCT with either a resistive, capacitive or inductive load (gradually increasing the load for each) show the difference in phase angle between voltage and current for each component? Many thaks for any help.
 
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Elliot_Bennett said:
How can taking voltage and current readings from an AC supplied CCT with either a resistive, capacitive or inductive load (gradually increasing the load for each) show the difference in phase angle between voltage and current for each component? Many thaks for any help.
Could you elaborate?
 
cnh1995 said:
Welcome to PF!

Could you elaborate?
I recently did an experiment whereby an AC generator supplied a capacitive, resistive or inductive load, for each readings of voltage and current were taken from the AC Generator showing how it reacted to various levels of RLC load. On a capacitive load as the load value was increased the current and voltage both increased, on an Inductive load as the load was increased the voltage rose and current fell and on a Resistive load as the load was increased voltage rose and current dropped (but showed less change than a purely inductive load).
 
Elliot_Bennett said:
I recently did an experiment whereby an AC generator supplied a capacitive, resistive or inductive load, for each readings of voltage and current were taken from the AC Generator showing how it reacted to various levels of RLC load.
So did you use a series RLC circuit and changed the componemt values one at a time or did you use purely resistive and purely reactive circuits?
Elliot_Bennett said:
On a capacitive load as the load value was increased the current and voltage both increased, on an Inductive load as the load was increased
What do you mean by 'load' here? Did you increase the capacitance?
 
cnh1995 said:
So did you use a series RLC circuit and changed the componemt values one at a time or did you use purely resistive and purely reactive circuits?

What do you mean by 'load' here? Did you increase the capacitance?
No we did not use a series RLC circuit. Purely resistive, purely capacitive and purely inductive circuits with only the relevant component in each circuit, for each the value of the inductor, capacitor or resistor was increased. I.E for resistive from 50-450 ohms at 50 ohm intervals.
 
If the ac voltage source were ideal, there would be no change in voltage with the change in load. The voltage is changing because of the internal impedance of the source.
When you increase the resistance and inductance, you are decreasing the load. Here, the current drops and hence, the voltage across the internal impedance also drops, which gives more voltage across the resistance or inductance.
In case of purely capacitive circuit, increasing the capacitance means increasing the load. Here, the current is expected to increase, but since the voltage is also increasing, it is something like the 'Ferranti effect'.
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=http.../wiki/Ferranti_effect&grqid=ErPULSLj&hl=en-IN
 
In #3, you only described the magnitude changes of voltage and current while in #1, you were asking about their phase difference. What is your question about the phase difference?
 
Can we assume that generator has a voltage regulator ?

Elliot_Bennett said:
AC generator supplied a capacitive, resistive or inductive load, for each readings of voltage and current were taken from the AC Generator showing how it reacted to various levels of RLC load
To understand what's going on you need to lock the excitation,, ie switch the voltage regulator from "Auto" to "Manual". Otherwise you're just testing the voltage regulator.
 

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