Measuring Voltage across Resistor in Series RLC Circuit

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The discussion revolves around measuring the voltage across a resistor in a series RLC circuit at its resonant frequency. Participants explore the discrepancies between expected and measured voltages, considering various factors that could influence the results, including component characteristics and circuit behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the resonant frequency of their series RLC circuit to be around 74.2Hz but measured only 1.34V across the resistor instead of the expected 5V.
  • Another participant suggested that the capacitor might be an electrolytic type, which requires a DC potential and has significant tolerance variations.
  • Some participants pointed out that the inductor likely has its own resistance, which could affect the voltage measurements and should be measured and considered in calculations.
  • There were suggestions to adjust the frequency around 74Hz to check for resonance, as the voltage across the resistor should be maximized at resonance.
  • Using two voltmeters was proposed as a method to clarify the behavior of the circuit at resonance, emphasizing the shift from inductive to capacitive characteristics.
  • One participant noted that if the measured voltage does not equal the supply voltage at resonance, it indicates additional series resistance, likely from the inductor.
  • A later reply confirmed that the inductor had a resistance of over 20 ohms, which aligned with the measured voltage across the resistor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the resistance of the inductor plays a significant role in the voltage measurements, but there is no consensus on the exact implications of the measurements or the best approach to resolve the discrepancies.

Contextual Notes

Participants mentioned the importance of measuring the resistance of the inductor and considering the internal resistance of the capacitor, which may not be straightforward to measure. The discussion highlights the complexity of accurately determining resonant behavior in RLC circuits.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in circuit analysis, particularly those working with RLC circuits and exploring the effects of component resistance on resonant frequency measurements.

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I was experimenting with resonant frequency of a series RLC circuit:

5V AC source
10 ohms resistor
100microF capacitor
46mH inductor

Resonant frequency is calculated to be around 74.2Hz. So I set the AC source to resonant frequency 74.2Hz and measured the voltage across the 10 ohms resistor using an oscilloscope. I was expecting to measure close to source voltage of 5V. However I got only 1.34V. That's a phase angle of around 74.4 degrees instead of 0.

If my theory is correct, I should get 5V since impedance is minimum with only the resistance 10 ohms as inductance and capacitance "balance out".
The connections are straightforward and shouldn't have any mis-connection and the AC source has the right voltage and frequency as seen on the oscilloscope. I'm curious as to what possible errors or factors that I might had missed and hope you guys can enlightenment me if I misunderstood something. Thank you.
 
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I suspect that your 100μF capacitor is an electrolytic. This means:
  1. The capacitor needs a DC potential across it in order to work.
  2. Even if the capacitor is correctly biased, the usual tolerance for an electrolytic is "+100% to -50%"
 
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SataSata said:
I'm curious as to what possible errors or factors that I might had missed and hope you guys can enlightenment me if I misunderstood something.
I think you have forgotten that there is some resistance in the inductor as well.

Try to measure this resistance and recalculate.
 
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Did you alter the frequency around 74Hz and check for resonanc?...the voltage across the resistor would be a maximum at resonance.
The 'missing'3.66 volts could easily be due to resistance of the inductor.
 
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see if this lessens the confusion
use two voltmeters
tune frequency for maximum voltage across the inductor and capacitor
when they're equal you're resonant
 
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jim hardy said:
see if this lessens the confusion
use two voltmeters
tune frequency for maximum voltage across the inductor and capacitor
when they're equal you're resonant
If the inductor has significant resistance this will not be accurate?
At resonance the current is max in a series circuit and a good way to detect this is to measure the voltage across the series resistance. At resonance this should equal the supply voltage. If it is not equal to the supply voltage this indicates there is more series resistance somewhere! In this example I think it is the inductor.
 
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lychette said:
If the inductor has significant resistance this will not be accurate?
At resonance the current is max in a series circuit and a good way to detect this is to measure the voltage across the series resistance. At resonance this should equal the supply voltage. If it is not equal to the supply voltage this indicates there is more series resistance somewhere! In this example I think it is the inductor.

What you say is quite correct.
He can easily measure the resistance of his inductor with an ohm-meter
The capacitor also has some internal resistance. That is more difficult to measure.

What is important is to get him to take some more measurements, thinking about their meaning as he goes along.

Why i suggested two meters is it should drive home for him that the circuit shifts from inductive to capacitive around resonance.

lychette said:
At resonance this should equal the supply voltage. If it is not equal to the supply voltage this indicates there is more series resistance somewhere! In this example I think it is the inductor.
That's a really good observation !
 
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Thank you everybody for the help. It turns out the inductor indeed has a resistance of 20+ ohms and is consistent with the measured voltage across the resistor. Again, thank you very much.
 

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