Understanding Polarization and Phase Changes in Optical Systems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of polarized light as it interacts with a quarter-wave plate and a mirror, particularly focusing on phase changes and polarization states. Participants explore the implications of different angles between the light's polarization and the waveplate's fast axis, as well as the effects of reflection on the polarization state.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a scenario where polarized light interacts with a quarter-wave plate and questions the reasoning behind the phase changes observed when the angle Ω is set to 0 and 45 degrees.
  • Another participant clarifies that the 180-degree phase change due to the waveplate refers to the difference in phase between the components of the electric field, while the reflection at the mirror causes a different type of phase change without altering polarization.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how the reflection changes the handedness of the light wave despite the individual components not being altered by a 180-degree phase shift.
  • One participant notes that "handedness" is dependent on the observer's perspective, suggesting that a reversal in direction would change the handedness of the wave.
  • There is a discussion about the potential use of the optical arrangement to determine how much light is coupled out, with some participants assuming ideal conditions of 100% reflection and transmission.
  • Another participant mentions that introducing a beam splitter could allow for measuring the amount of light coupled out, depending on the rotation of the waveplate and its effect on polarization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the effects of phase changes and handedness, with some points remaining contested, particularly regarding the implications of reflection and the role of the waveplate. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these aspects.

Contextual Notes

Participants assume ideal conditions for the optical components, which may not account for real-world imperfections or losses. The discussion also highlights the complexity of phase relationships and polarization states, which may depend on specific definitions and observational perspectives.

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Hi

This isn't homework, but something I've wondered about. I post it here, because it might be helpful to others. Say I am looking at the attached optical system:

I have polarized light in the plane. Then it hits a lambda/4-plate, where the angle between the fast axis and the polarization of the light is denoted Ω. The light then gets reflected on a mirror, and moves through the quarter wave-plate again.

If Ω=0 degrees, light will just go back the same way it came with the same polarization.
If Ω=45 degree, light becomes circularly polarized after the wave-plate, changes rotation direction after the reflection and becomes linearly polarized again. In total a phase change of 360 degrees (180 from the reflection and 180 from passing through the waveplate twice). So this is the same as the case with Ω=0? This doesn't make sense to me.

Can anyone point out where my reasoning is wrong?


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Edit: I have decided this thread is more appropriate for Classical Physics, and moved it there.

Niles said:
If Ω=45 degree, light becomes circularly polarized after the wave-plate, changes rotation direction after the reflection and becomes linearly polarized again. In total a phase change of 360 degrees (180 from the reflection and 180 from passing through the waveplate twice).
The 180 degree phase change due to two passes through the λ/4 plate refers to the difference in phase between two spatial components of the E-field, the components parallel to and perpendicular to the waveplate's optic axis. Note that the effect is to rotate the (linear) polarization by 90 degrees.

The 180 degree phase change at the mirror actually flips the E-field by 180 degrees, so that the reflected beam cancels the incident beam right at the mirror surface. There is no change in polarization from this. [EDIT: another way to think of it is that the E-field is retarded (or advanced, doesn't matter in this case) by 180 degrees in time when it reflects from the mirror. Again, no change in polarization. The 180 phase change refers to something entirely different than it does for the waveplate. END OF EDIT]

Hope that helps.
 
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Redbelly98 said:
The 180 degree phase change due to two passes through the λ/4 plate refers to the difference in phase between two spatial components of the E-field, the components parallel to and perpendicular to the waveplate's optic axis. Note that the effect is to rotate the (linear) polarization by 90 degrees.

The 180 degree phase change at the mirror actually flips the E-field by 180 degrees, so that the reflected beam cancels the incident beam right at the mirror surface. There is no change in polarization from this. [EDIT: another way to think of it is that the E-field is retarded (or advanced, doesn't matter in this case) by 180 degrees in time when it reflects from the mirror. Again, no change in polarization. The 180 phase change refers to something entirely different than it does for the waveplate. END OF EDIT]

Hope that helps.

Hi

Thanks for that. The reflection from the mirror causes an L-state to become an R-state. How can this happen if the individual components are not changed by a phase of 180 degrees wrt. each other?


Niles.
 
My understanding is that "handedness" depends on the relative direction one observes the propagating wave. That is, a wave observed from in front might be right-handed, but observed from behind would be left-handed. Perhaps frustratingly there is no set convention, so when one defines a "handedness", one must also define the direction the wave is being observed.

Anyway, in light of this, it is no surprise that a reversal in direction should change the handedness of a wave.

Claude.
 
Thanks for that, so the total phase change between the two components is just 180 degrees then. So I guess the arrangement can be used to decide how much of the incoming light is coupled out?
 
Niles said:
So I guess the arrangement can be used to decide how much of the incoming light is coupled out?
I don't understand what your are asking -- so far we are (or I was, at least) assuming 100% reflection for the mirror, and 100% transmission by the waveplate. What am I missing? Is there a linear polarizer somewhere?
 
Redbelly98 said:
I don't understand what your are asking -- so far we are (or I was, at least) assuming 100% reflection for the mirror, and 100% transmission by the waveplate. What am I missing? Is there a linear polarizer somewhere?

Sorry, I meant that if we put a beam splitter cube to the left of the quarter wave-plate we could determine how much light is coupled out.
 
Ah, okay.

Since rotating the waveplate would change how much the final polarization has been rotated, that would change how much of the beam's power is transmitted (or reflected) by a polarizing beam splitter cube. And the polarization is rotated twice as much as the angle between the waveplate's optic axis and the incident polarization.

(Hope that answers the question.)
 
Thanks, that is very kind of you.

Best wishes.
 

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