Understanding Quadratic Equations: Solving x^2+x-6 and x^2-7x+10

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The discussion revolves around understanding and simplifying a rational expression involving quadratic equations, specifically the expressions x^2+x-6 and x^2-7x+10. Participants are exploring the terminology associated with these expressions and their simplification.

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  • Participants discuss the correct terminology for the expressions, with suggestions of "algebraic fractions," "rational functions," and "rational expressions." There are attempts to simplify the expression and questions about the validity of canceling terms in the numerator and denominator.

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The conversation includes various interpretations of the terminology and the process of simplification. Some participants provide guidance on factoring and canceling terms, while others express confusion about the implications of canceling and the arithmetic involved.

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Participants note the importance of understanding the differences between rational expressions and functions, as well as the rules for simplifying algebraic fractions. There is also mention of specific educational standards related to the topic.

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x^2+x-6
___________

x^2-7x+10



I need to know the name of an equation like this (someone said they were quadratic equations but those are only say the denominator or numerator of this fraction, so are they quadratic fractions or something?) so I can search it and revise it more. If I'm not mistaken, is the answer:

(x-2)(x+3)
_________

(x-5)(x-2)

Thanks a lot for the help, I need this for my GSCE's in November.
 
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I don't know what the equation is called, but I can see that your ansnwer can be simplified a little more, think about what on the top can cancel out something on the bottom, hope this helps.
 
Not sure about that
 
I think the gcse spec calls those algebraic fractions.

General way to simplify them is to factor the numerator and denominator and then cancel terms that are the same in both.

Its a bit more complicated if you are adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing 2 algebraic fractions but the same rules apply.

Factor and multiply to get common denominators and then work with like a normal fraction.

These 2 links should explain more:

http://www.mathsrevision.net/gcse/pages.php?page=1

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...3ICgAg&usg=AFQjCNG4zJkyvwW-NWDhAyumzeTUQEuMOQ

PS. If you are going to type anything more complicated, try and learn a bit of Latex as maths notation written in plaintext gets confusing quite easily.

EG.

[itex]\large\frac{x^{2}+x-6}{x^{2}-7x+10}[/itex]
 
They're called rational functions.
 
Ashir said:
x^2+x-6
___________

x^2-7x+10
I need to know the name of an equation like this...
It cannot be an equation, because there is no equal sign.

Mentallic said:
They're called rational functions.
I think it's more accurate to call this a rational expression. To be a rational function, you would need a "f(x) = " in front, like this:
[itex]f(x) = \frac{x^2 + x - 6}{x^2 - 7x + 10}[/itex]
 
eumyang said:
It cannot be an equation, because there is no equal sign.


I think it's more accurate to call this a rational expression. To be a rational function, you would need a "f(x) = " in front, like this:
[itex]f(x) = \frac{x^2 + x - 6}{x^2 - 7x + 10}[/itex]

If you look at a GCSE maths spec you'll see those referenced to as "Algebraic fractions"

Although I would agree that their proper term would be a rational expression.
 
Thank you.
So, how can I simplify it further from:

(x-2)(x+3)
_______________
(x-5)(x-2)
 
I realize I can cancel out the -2's but let's say x=3. The expression would be equivalent to:

1+6 (7)
__________ = -7.
-2+1 (-1)

If we cancel the 1's, it is:

6
___ = -3
-2

So how could that work?
 
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Ashir said:
I realize I can cancel out the -2's but let's say x=3. The expression would be equivalent to:

1+6 (7)
__________ = -7.
-2+1 (-1)

If we cancel the 1's, it is:

6
___ = -3
-2

So how could that work?
No, you can not cancel out the -2's.

You can cancel out the (x-2) from the numerator & denominator.
 
  • #11
Sorry that's what I meant.
How can you if the results would be different?
 
  • #12
Ashir said:
Sorry that's what I meant.
How can you if the results would be different?

The results aren't different for example:

if your fraction is [itex]\frac{(x-2)(x+7)}{(3x+8)(x-2)}[/itex]

Then consider that if you follow the usual rules of arithmetic and do anything in brackets first, (x-2) will be the same no matter whether it is on the top or bottom of the fraction.

So you can cancel them out.

for example if x = 6 then (x-2) = (6-2) = 4.

so then your fraction could be rewritten as:

[itex]\frac{(4)(x+7)}{(3x+8)(4)}[/itex]

Therefore since you have multiplied the denominator and numerator by 4 this will cancel out.

so your fraction would be:

[itex]\frac{(x+7)}{(3x+8)}[/itex]

Hopefully now you should see why they cancel.
 
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Confusing. When did I multiply the numerator/denominator?
 
  • #14
Is the reason basically ratio-involving? So that, whether or not the x-2 was canceled out or not the ratio would be, say, 3:2 anyways?
 
  • #15
Ashir said:
Confusing. When did I multiply the numerator/denominator?

In the very first step, when you rewrote ##x^2+x-6## as ##(x-2)(x+3)## and ##x^2-7x+10## as ##(x-5)(x-2)##.
 
  • #16
Isn't that more dividing?
 
  • #17
Ashir said:
Isn't that more dividing?

It can be considered decomposing. Diving refers to ##\frac{f(x)}{g(x)}##. Decomposing is more of taking ##f(x)## and rewriting it as ##g(x)h(x)##, or taking a function and making it into the product of two functions.
 
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Ashir said:
I realize I can cancel out the -2's but let's say x=3. The expression would be equivalent to:

1+6 (7)
__________ = -7.
-2+1 (-1)

Why are you adding the two terms together in both your numerator and denominator? When you have one bracketed expression directly next to another, you multiply them together, you don't add them:

[tex]\frac{(3-2)(3+3)}{(3-5)(3-2)} =\frac{(1)(6)}{(-2)(1)}=\frac{6}{-2} = -3[/tex]
 
  • #19
Oh just realized the mistake, thanks.
 

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