Understanding Radius of Convergence in Power Series Calculations

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The discussion revolves around understanding the radius of convergence for power series, specifically through examples provided by the original poster. The examples include series of the form ∑(x-1)j/(2j + 3j), ∑(1 + j + j2)⋅xj, and ∑(2j + 3j)⋅xj, with participants exploring methods such as the ratio test and root test to determine convergence.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the ratio and root tests for determining the radius of convergence. Questions are raised about the implications of limits approaching 1 and the interpretation of convergence intervals. There is also a consideration of whether to express results in terms of |x| or |x - 1|.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, providing feedback on each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of convergence conditions and the limitations of the ratio test. There is a recognition of the need for clarity in expressing results, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the correctness of the original poster's conclusions.

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Participants note the importance of correctly interpreting the results of convergence tests and the potential for confusion when expressing inequalities. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of the ratio test in certain cases, particularly for numerical series.

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Homework Statement



Hi everybody! I'm a little struggling to fully understand the idea of radius of convergence of a function, can somebody help me a little? Are some examples I found in old exams at my university:
Calculate the radius of convergence of the following power series:
a) ∑(x-1)j/(2j + 3j)
b) ∑(1 + j + j2)⋅xj
c) ∑(2j + 3j)⋅xj

Homework Equations



Root test, ratio test

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found a solution for each of them, but I don't know if it's right and I will include a few questions I have here and there:

Let's first see if I get the "methods" right:
I want to try first the ratio test because the computation is easier. And here is my first question: if lim sup j→∞ |aj+1/aj| = 1, I cannot conclude anything and I should instead run the root test, is that right? Or is the convergence radius R = 1 anyway?

For a), I run the ratio test and get:

aj+1/aj = (2j + 3j)/(2j+1 + 3j+1) = 1/3

That means that R = 3 and that ∑(x-1)j/(2j + 3j) absolutely converges for |x-1| < 3 ⇔ |x| < 4. Is that correct or am I completely missing the point? What does it really mean that the power series converges absolutely for |x| < 4?

b) This time I'm going to try the root test:

(1 + j + j2)1/j = (j2(1 + (1/j) + (1/j2)))1/j
= (1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j

I notice that 1 ≤ 1 + (1/j) + (1/j) ≤ 2 for any j ≥ 2, therefore

11/j ≤ (1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j ≤ 21/j
11/j → 1
21/j → 1
(1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j → 1

Therefore R = 1 and ∑(1 + j + j2)⋅xj absolutely converges for |x| < 1.

c) It's very similar to a) so I run the root test this time:

(2j + 3j)1/j = (3j)1/j⋅(1 + (2/3)j)1/j
= 3⋅(1 + (2/3)j)1/j → 3 because:

11/j ≤ (1 + (2/3)j)1/j ≤ 21/j

Therefore R = 1/3 and ∑(2j + 3j)⋅xj absolutely converges for |x| ≤ 1/3.

Are those right? Any remarks about the topic?

Thank you very much in advance for your help.Julien.
 
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JulienB said:

Homework Statement



Hi everybody! I'm a little struggling to fully understand the idea of radius of convergence of a function, can somebody help me a little? Are some examples I found in old exams at my university:
Calculate the radius of convergence of the following power series:
a) ∑(x-1)j/(2j + 3j)
b) ∑(1 + j + j2)⋅xj
c) ∑(2j + 3j)⋅xj

Homework Equations



Root test, ratio test

The Attempt at a Solution



So I found a solution for each of them, but I don't know if it's right and I will include a few questions I have here and there:

Let's first see if I get the "methods" right:
I want to try first the ratio test because the computation is easier. And here is my first question: if lim sup j→∞ |aj+1/aj| = 1, I cannot conclude anything and I should instead run the root test, is that right? Or is the convergence radius R = 1 anyway?

For a), I run the ratio test and get:

aj+1/aj = (2j + 3j)/(2j+1 + 3j+1) = 1/3

That means that R = 3 and that ∑(x-1)j/(2j + 3j) absolutely converges for |x-1| < 3 ⇔ |x| < 4. Is that correct or am I completely missing the point? What does it really mean that the power series converges absolutely for |x| < 4?

b) This time I'm going to try the root test:

(1 + j + j2)1/j = (j2(1 + (1/j) + (1/j2)))1/j
= (1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j

I notice that 1 ≤ 1 + (1/j) + (1/j) ≤ 2 for any j ≥ 2, therefore

11/j ≤ (1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j ≤ 21/j
11/j → 1
21/j → 1
(1 + (1/j) + (1/j))1/j → 1

Therefore R = 1 and ∑(1 + j + j2)⋅xj absolutely converges for |x| < 1.

c) It's very similar to a) so I run the root test this time:

(2j + 3j)1/j = (3j)1/j⋅(1 + (2/3)j)1/j
= 3⋅(1 + (2/3)j)1/j → 3 because:

11/j ≤ (1 + (2/3)j)1/j ≤ 21/j

Therefore R = 1/3 and ∑(2j + 3j)⋅xj absolutely converges for |x| ≤ 1/3.

Are those right? Any remarks about the topic?

Thank you very much in advance for your help.Julien.

For (a): the statement ##|x-1| < 3## is correct, but the statement ##|x| < 4## is wrong.
In (b) the ratio test would also work, and would be easier.
(c) is OK.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
For (a): the statement ##|x-1| < 3## is correct, but the statement ##|x| < 4## is wrong.
In (b) the ratio test would also work, and would be easier.
(c) is OK.

Cool thanks. Yeah for a) I quickly realized my mistake that if x is negative, then it would be wrong. Should I just let |x - 1| < 3 then unless the problem specifically asks for |x|?
For b) I used the root test just to have some variety. About the ratio test, it says on Wikipedia that it does not work in many cases but is vague about which: would you happen to know when? At first I was under the impression that it was when |an+1/an| = 1, but now I think that's not it.Thank you very much for your answer. :)Julien.
 
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I want to try first the ratio test because the computation is easier. And here is my first question: if lim sup j→∞ |aj+1/aj| = 1, I cannot conclude anything and I should instead run the root test, is that right? Or is the convergence radius R = 1 anyway?
Remember that your series also had an (x- 1)^j term. So your ratio is NOT just \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|, it is \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\frac{|x- 1|^{j+1}}{|x- 1|^j}= \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right||x- 1|. The power series converges absolutely if and only if that is less than 1 so if and only if |x- 1|&lt; \frac{1}{\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|}= \frac{1}{R}.

Should I just let |x - 1| < 3 then unless the problem specifically asks for |x|?
|x- 1|< 3 is the same as -3< x- 1< 3. Adding 1 to each part, -2< x< 5. That cannot be written in terms of |x|.

About the ratio test, it says on Wikipedia that it does not work in many cases but is vague about which: would you happen to know when?
The ratio test will not work for many numerical series. For example, \sum_{n=0}^\infty n^3 does not converge but the ratio test gives \frac{(n+ 1)^3}{n^3} which goes to 1 so the ratio test does not work. For a power series, there will always be some values of x that make it less than 1.
 
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@HallsofIvy Thank you that was a very clear explanation.Julien.
 
HallsofIvy said:
|x- 1|< 3 is the same as -3< x- 1< 3. Adding 1 to each part, -2< x< 5.
The last inequality should be -2 < x < 4. Geometrically, the inequality |x - 1| < 3 represents the numbers that are within 3 units of 1.
 
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