Understanding Rational Exponents with Negative Bases

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The discussion revolves around understanding the evaluation and simplification of expressions involving rational exponents with negative bases, specifically the form (a^n)^(1/m) where a < 0. Participants explore the implications of different interpretations and results when applying exponent rules to negative bases.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the validity of different approaches to simplifying expressions with negative bases and rational exponents. There is a focus on the conditions under which absolute values should be applied and the potential for undefined results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their experiences and interpretations of the rules. Some have provided insights into when absolute values may be necessary, while others express skepticism about certain simplifications. There is no explicit consensus, but various perspectives are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the general function ax is typically defined only for positive a, which raises questions about the applicability of standard exponent rules to negative bases. Additionally, there are references to specific conditions regarding the parity of n and m in relation to the simplification of expressions.

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Can anyone point me to a text or link that summarizes the rules when evaluating/simplifying an expression of the form
[tex](a^n)^(1/m)[/tex] for a < 0. [tex](a^n)^(1/m)[/tex] yields different answers for [tex]a^(n/m)[/tex] and [tex](a^(1/m))^n[/tex].

Ex:

[tex](-8)^(2/6) = (-8)^(1/3) = -2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^(2/6) = ((-8)^2)^(1/6) = 2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^(2/6) = (-8^(1/6))^2 = undefined[/tex]

Thank you very much!
 
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The general function, ax, is only defined for positive a.
There simply are no ways of giving "rules" for such manipulation with a negative.
 
Thanks HallsofIvy

i've read in some book that
[tex](a^n)^{1/m}[/tex]
where a < 0, n and m are positive even integers and [tex]a^{1/m}[/tex] is defined can be simplified to
[tex]|a|^{n/m}[/tex]

There are just a few examples on this subject that's why I'm looking for other resources. I've solved several exercises and I different answers. I miss out on when to place the absolute value bars and when not to. As I understand it, the absolute value bars may be removed if n/m always yields a positive value for [tex]|a|^{n/m}[/tex], otherwise, the absolute value bars must be retained.

I know this is elementary for you guys. :biggrin:
 
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Just a LaTex note. surround your exponent with curly brackets {} to get it all elevated.\

[tex]a ^{ \frac 1 m}[/tex]

click on the equation to see the code.
 
Just a rewrite

bloodasp said:
Can anyone point me to a text or link that summarizes the rules when evaluating/simplifying an expression of the form
[tex](a^n)^(1/m)[/tex] for a < 0. [tex](a^n)^(1/m)[/tex] yields different answers for [tex]a^(n/m)[/tex] and [tex](a^(1/m))^n[/tex].

Ex:

[tex](-8)^(2/6) = (-8)^(1/3) = -2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^(2/6) = ((-8)^2)^(1/6) = 2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^(2/6) = (-8^(1/6))^2 = undefined[/tex]

Thank you very much!

Can anyone point me to a text or link that summarizes the rules when evaluating/simplifying an expression of the form
[tex](a^n)^{1/m}[/tex] for a < 0. [tex](a^n)^{1/m}[/tex] yields different answers for [tex]a^{n/m}[/tex] and [tex](a^{1/m})^n[/tex].

Ex:

[tex](-8)^{2/6} = (-8)^{1/3} = -2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^{2/6} = ((-8)^2)^{1/6} = 2[/tex]
[tex](-8)^{2/6} = ((-8)^{1/6})^2 = undefined[/tex]

Thank you very much!
 
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bloodasp said:
i've read in some book that
[tex](a^n)^{1/m}[/tex]
where a < 0, n and m are positive even integers and [tex]a^{1/m}[/tex] is defined can be simplified to
[tex]|a|^{n/m}[/tex]
No, that's not true. There's no such way to simplify that. :frown: :smile:
 

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