Understanding Rf Values for BIO Lab

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Rf values, or retention factors, are defined as the distance traveled by a compound divided by the distance traveled by the solvent in chromatography. These values are not consistent and can vary significantly even under the same conditions, making it impossible to create a definitive table of Rf values. For accurate identification of substances, it is essential to run an authentic sample on the same chromatography plate as the unknown sample. This variability is particularly notable in techniques like thin-layer chromatography (TLC). Understanding these principles is crucial for conducting the upcoming lab on chlorophylls and pigments.
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rf value!?#@$%^&

Hey guys,

Before doing a lab tomorrow, we need to find out what Rf values are, i can't seem to find a defintion about it online so some help would be great. Basically we are doing this BIO but the teacher won't tell us exactly about the lab but it is about chlorophylls and pigments.

thx alot.

m!ke
 
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There is no such thing as a table of Rf values. Chromatographic retention times are sensitively and unpredictably dependent on the conditions; if you run chromatography on the same sample three consecutive times (using the "same conditions") you will get different retention values (Rf or whatever) for the same substance each time!
That's not to say that the values will be wildly different; in sensitive techniques such as gas chromatography you get almost the same values for the same substance on consecutive runs. But with TLC the only way to unambiguously identify something is to run an authentic sample on the same plate as the substance to be identified. Not "another plate, right afterwards." The same plate.

That's why you will never find a table of Rf values. Or of GC retention times, for that matter.
 
Oh, for the definition: The retention factor, or Rf, is defined as the distance traveled by the compound divided by the distance traveled by the solvent.
 
ah ok i c, the last part about the definition was all i needed, thanks a lot dude, i'll update u on what happens tomorrow. =)
 
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