Understanding Simple Chirality Equations with Dirac Spinors

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical properties and implications of chirality equations involving Dirac spinors, specifically focusing on the projection operators \( P_L \) and \( P_R \). Participants explore the relationships between these operators and the Dirac matrices \( \gamma_5 \) and \( \gamma_\mu \), as well as the implications of anticommutation relations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the equation \( P_L \psi = \psi P_R \) and its derivation, expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the equation \( \bar{\psi }P_R \gamma^{\mu } \psi = \bar{\psi } \gamma^{\mu } P_L \psi \) and suggests considering the anticommutation relation between \( \gamma_5 \) and \( \gamma_\mu \).
  • A participant acknowledges the anticommutation relation \( [ \gamma_{\mu }, \gamma_5 ] = 0 \), indicating that \( \gamma_5 \gamma_{\mu } = \gamma_{\mu } \gamma_5 \) is true, but expresses continued confusion about the first step.
  • Another participant points out the need for a bar notation over the second \( \psi \) and suggests using the complex conjugate to derive the expression.
  • One participant asserts that the anticommutation relation is zero, indicating a misunderstanding of the notation used.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of inserting \( 1 = \gamma^0 \gamma^0 \) when manipulating the expressions to clarify the steps involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correctness of the initial equations and the implications of the anticommutation relations. There is no consensus on the derivation or validity of the steps discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the bar notation and the manipulation of Dirac spinors, indicating potential gaps in understanding the mathematical framework involved.

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Hi!
Can anyone explain to me the math behind this simple step:
$$ P_L \psi = \psi P_R $$ where $$ P_L = \frac{1}{2} ( 1 + \gamma_5 ) $$ and $$P_R = \frac{1}{2} ( 1 - \gamma_5 )$$.

And why is $$ \bar{\psi }P_R \gamma^{\mu } \psi = \bar{\psi } \gamma^{\mu } P_L \psi ,$$
where $$ \gamma_5$$ and $$\gamma_\mu $$ are Dirac matrices.Can anyone help??Edit: The psi's $$ \psi $$ represent Dirac spinors.
 
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StephvsEinst said:
Can anyone explain to me the math behind this simple step:
$$ P_L \psi = \psi P_R $$
Where did that come from? It doesn't look quite right.

[...] And why is ## \bar{\psi }P_R \gamma^{\mu } \psi = \bar{\psi } \gamma^{\mu } P_L \psi##
Hint: what is the anticommutation relation between ##\gamma_5## and ##\gamma_\mu## ?
 
strangerep said:
Where did that come from? It doesn't look quite right.

It's true that ## \bar{\psi }_L \gamma^{ \mu } \psi_L = \bar{\psi }P_R \gamma^{\mu } P_L \psi ## but I can't prove mathematically this step.

strangerep said:
Hint: what is the anticommutation relation between # \gamma_5 # and # \gamma_{\mu } # ?

I see now that [ ## \gamma_{\mu }, \gamma_5 ] = 0 ## so it's true that ## \gamma_5 \gamma_{\mu } = \gamma_{\mu } \gamma_5 ## .

I am still not understing the first step, though.
 
what does the bar notation stand for? If you apply its meaning on the expression below you will have it.
\bar{\psi_L} = \bar{(P_L \psi)} = ...
 
StephvsEinst said:
I see now that [ γμ,γ5]=0 \gamma_{\mu }, \gamma_5 ] = 0 so it's true that γ5γμ=γμγ5 \gamma_5 \gamma_{\mu } = \gamma_{\mu } \gamma_5 .

That is wrong. The anticommutation is zero... {A,B}= AB+BA
 
First one should have a bar over the second Psi. You get it by taking the complex conjugate of the left hand side, then inserting 1=GAMMA0.GAMMA0, where needed, then commuting them through the P.
 

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