Understanding Structural Design Approximations: Weight vs. Load Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the approximation in structural design regarding the neglect of a structure's weight when calculating the loads carried by its members. Participants explore the conditions under which this approximation may or may not be valid, particularly in relation to different scales of structures and types of loads.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the teacher's statement regarding the neglect of a structure's weight in load calculations.
  • One participant questions the validity of the approximation by considering scenarios where applied loads are either large or small compared to the weight of the members.
  • Another participant notes that in smaller structures, self-weight might constitute a small percentage of the load-carrying capacity, while in larger structures, such as bridges, self-weight could dominate the applied loads.
  • A participant highlights that in practical applications, such as trusses used for transferring wind forces, the self-weight may not be in the same plane as the applied loading, raising questions about the relevance of self-weight in those cases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the approximation, as multiple competing views regarding the influence of self-weight versus applied loads are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss various scenarios without resolving the implications of different structural sizes and load types on the approximation's validity. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions about load conditions and structural behavior.

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I don’t understand what our teacher means by this:
" Analyze the correctness (or lack of it) of a common approximation made in structural
design, which is that the weight of the structure can often be neglected when calculating the

loads carried by the members in the structure."
 
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ronaldor9 said:
I don’t understand what our teacher means by this:
" Analyze the correctness (or lack of it) of a common approximation made in structural
design, which is that the weight of the structure can often be neglected when calculating the

loads carried by the members in the structure."
Consider the case where the applied loads on the member are relatively large as compared to the weight of that member or the weight of other members framing into it. What if the weight of the member or weight of other members framing into it is large in comparison to the applied loads on the member?
 
could you send me a whole detailed note on the structure of a v-12 engine
 
THanks I understand what the question now means
 
When a structure is relatively small, the self-weight might be 5-10% of its load carrying capacity. With a large bridge, say more than 100 m long, the self weight dominates the applied loading. Sometimes, you are asked to solve for the forces in a truss. In practice, many trusses lie in the horizontal plane for transferring wind forces through a roof for example. In that case, the self weight is not in the same plane as the applied loading, and therefore it is a valid question to ask what the effect of the loading is apart from self weight.
 

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