Understanding Surface Area: Foldings, Invaginations, Roughness & Powder

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of surface area, particularly in relation to its increase due to factors such as foldings, invaginations, roughness, and powdered forms. Participants also explore the differences between perimeter and surface area, addressing their definitions and dimensional implications.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about why surface area increases with foldings, invaginations, roughness, and powdered forms, seeking a conceptual explanation.
  • It is noted that "perimeter" refers to the length of the boundary of a two-dimensional shape, while "surface area" pertains to the boundary of a three-dimensional volume.
  • Participants point out that perimeter has units of length, whereas surface area has units of length squared.
  • There is a discussion on the nature of dimensionality, with some suggesting that two-dimensional shapes are bounded by lines and curves, while three-dimensional objects are bounded by surfaces, making area a more meaningful measure in three dimensions.
  • One participant explains that a sphere is bounded by one continuous surface, contrasting it with a cube, which has six distinct surfaces.
  • Several participants emphasize the continuous nature of a sphere, arguing that it lacks edges, which leads to the idea that one can sail indefinitely without encountering an edge.
  • There is a playful acknowledgment of the limitations of the English language in distinguishing between the terms used for boundaries in different dimensions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the definitions and implications of perimeter and surface area. While there is some agreement on the basic definitions, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the conceptual understanding of surface area in relation to its increase due to different factors.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about dimensionality and the nature of boundaries are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of surface area and perimeter.

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why surface area increases with foldings ,invaginations,roughness and powdered form?please someone explain concept of surface area.

what is difference between perimeter or (circumference in case of circle)and surface area?

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The term "perimeter" is usually reserved for the length of the boundary of a two-dimensional shape, while "surface area" applies to the boundary of a three-dimensional volume.
 
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perimeter has units of length while surface area has units of length squared.
 
Nugatory said:
The term "perimeter" is usually reserved for the length of the boundary of a two-dimensional shape, while "surface area" applies to the boundary of a three-dimensional volume.
sir why boundary of a two-dimensional shape can be expressed in length but boundary of a three-dimensional object i.e surface area require length squared?
 
I reckon its the nature of the space you're talking about. In 2 dimensions, shapes are bounded by lines and curves. So , there you can about these boundaries in terms of perimeter. In 3 dimensions, objects are bkubded by surfaces( e.g, a cube is bounded by 6 surfaces, a sphere by 1) so its more meaningful to talk about the area( length squared dimensionally) than it is to talk about the length of a surface.
 
UncertaintyAjay said:
I reckon its the nature of the space you're talking about. In 2 dimensions, shapes are bounded by lines and curves. So , there you can about these boundaries in terms of perimeter. In 3 dimensions, objects are bkubded by surfaces( e.g, a cube is bounded by 6 surfaces, a sphere by 1) so its more meaningful to talk about the area( length squared dimensionally) than it is to talk about the length of a surface.
how you came to know that sphere is bounded by 1 surface,?which surface is this?
 
Well think about it.
A cube has 6 sides- six plane surfaces that bound it. Take something spherical, run your hand over it and see if you ever come to an edge. That's why there is no "worlds end" .you sail as far as you want, and you'll never fall over the edge of the Earth because there isn't one. It's one continuous surface.
 
Well think about it. A sphere doesn't have any edges its continuous.
Look at the earth. You can't sail over the edge of the world because there isn't one. You can sail on and on forever and never fall off or encounter an edge because it all one continuous surface.
 
UncertaintyAjay said:
Well think about it. A sphere doesn't have any edges its continuous.
Look at the earth. You can't sail over the edge of the world because there isn't one. You can sail on and on forever and never fall off or encounter an edge because it all one continuous surface.
good one!
 
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Thanks
 
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Nugatory said:
while "surface area" applies to the boundary of a three-dimensional volume.
length of the boundary?
 
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gracy said:
length of the boundary?

OK, so the English language isn't perfect... It's not my fault that English uses different words for the N=2 and N=3 cases of the N-1-dimensional boundary of an N-dimensional space. :smile:

You could say "intuitive quantitative measure of the boundary of a region", and reserve the word "length" for the special case of the one-dimensional boundary of a two-dimensional surface.
 

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