Understanding the Conservation of Momentum in a Hard Mud Ball Collision

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The discussion centers on the conservation of momentum in the context of an inelastic collision involving a hard sticky mud ball thrown at a wall. Participants explore the implications of the collision on kinetic energy and momentum conservation, considering both the mud ball and the wall's interaction with the Earth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that momentum is not conserved in the collision because the mud ball has an initial velocity, leading to a final momentum that appears less than the initial momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that the wall/mud combination does have a small final velocity, particularly if the wall is attached to a planet, due to the large mass of the Earth.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that momentum is conserved when considering the entire system, including the Earth, which changes its momentum upon impact, although the change is negligible due to its massive size.
  • There is a question raised about whether the sticky mud will also have a final velocity after the collision.
  • One participant proposes that the final velocity of the sticky mud will likely be the same as that of the wall and Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether momentum is conserved in the collision, with some arguing that it is conserved when considering the Earth, while others question the conservation based on the mud ball's initial conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of momentum conservation in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the system's boundaries, particularly the role of the Earth in momentum calculations and the implications of the mud ball's inelastic collision.

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if a hard sticky mud ball is trown on a wall it sticks to it
it is an inelastic collision
K.E. is not conserved
but here momentum is also not conserved because mud had an initial velocity
so initial momentum of mud + initial momentum of wall (that is 0) = initial momentum of mud
final momentum of mud (that is 0 or less than its initial momentum)+final momentum of wall= 0 or less than total initial momentum
please explain hiw momentum is conserved here??
 
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The wall/mud combination does have a small final velocity. If the wall is attached to a planet, this velocity is tiny, since the mass is huge.
 
Momentum is conserved - but if the wall is attached to the ground, you have to consider the momentum of the whole earth, which changes at the impact. The mass of Earth is huge, so you won't be able to measure it.

Edit: Too slow :(
 
will the stiky mud also have a final velocity??
 
The same as the wall and earth, probably.
 

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