MHB Understanding the Determinant of Commutator Matrices in Angular Momentum Systems

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The discussion centers on the confusion surrounding the determinant of commutator matrices in angular momentum systems, specifically regarding the anti-commutation relation of angular momentum matrices. The user expresses uncertainty about their calculations, particularly the transition from the determinant of the commutator to the determinants of the products of the matrices. A key point raised is that the determinant of a product does not equal the difference of the determinants, which is crucial for understanding the error in the user's reasoning. Additionally, it is noted that the determinant of a scalar multiple of a matrix involves the size of the matrix, complicating the user's calculations. The conversation highlights the importance of careful application of determinant properties in quantum mechanics contexts.
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Hi, I've just wierded myself out so time to stop for today, but afore I go ...

Angular momentum matrices (also Pauli) anti-commute as $ [J_x, J_y] = iJ_z $

So $ Det\left( [J_x, J_y] \right) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_xJ_y)-Det(J_yJ_x) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_x)Det(J_y)-Det(J_y)Det(J_x) = i Det(J_z) $

I think you can see why I am confused here, usual question (sigh) what have I done wrong please?
 
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ognik said:
Hi, I've just wierded myself out so time to stop for today, but afore I go ...

Angular momentum matrices (also Pauli) anti-commute as $ [J_x, J_y] = iJ_z $

So $ Det\left( [J_x, J_y] \right) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_xJ_y)-Det(J_yJ_x) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_x)Det(J_y)-Det(J_y)Det(J_x) = i Det(J_z) $

I think you can see why I am confused here, usual question (sigh) what have I done wrong please?
[math]|x + y| \neq |x| + |y| [/math]

-Dan
 
Also,
$$\text{det}(iJ_z)\not=i \, \text{det}(J_z),\qquad \text{but} \qquad \text{det}(iJ_z)=i^n \, \text{det}(J_z),$$
where $n\times n$ is the size of the $J_z$ matrix.
 
topsquark said:
[math]|x + y| \neq |x| + |y| [/math]

-Dan
Sorry, don't understand, how does relate to commutator? Ta
 
ognik said:
Sorry, don't understand, how does relate to commutator? Ta

I could be wrong, but I think topsquark is saying that going from the first to the second line is invalid. That is,
$$\text{det}(AB-BA) \not= \text{det}(AB) - \text{det}(BA).$$
 
Sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees, thanks guys.
 
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