Understanding the Determinant of Commutator Matrices in Angular Momentum Systems

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The discussion focuses on the properties of angular momentum matrices, specifically the commutation relations and determinants of these matrices. It establishes that the determinant of the commutator of two angular momentum matrices, \( [J_x, J_y] \), equals \( i \) times the determinant of \( J_z \). Participants clarify that the relationship \( \text{det}(AB - BA) \neq \text{det}(AB) - \text{det}(BA) \) is crucial for understanding the confusion surrounding the determinant calculations. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing the anti-commutation relations and their implications on determinants in quantum mechanics.

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Hi, I've just wierded myself out so time to stop for today, but afore I go ...

Angular momentum matrices (also Pauli) anti-commute as $ [J_x, J_y] = iJ_z $

So $ Det\left( [J_x, J_y] \right) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_xJ_y)-Det(J_yJ_x) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_x)Det(J_y)-Det(J_y)Det(J_x) = i Det(J_z) $

I think you can see why I am confused here, usual question (sigh) what have I done wrong please?
 
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ognik said:
Hi, I've just wierded myself out so time to stop for today, but afore I go ...

Angular momentum matrices (also Pauli) anti-commute as $ [J_x, J_y] = iJ_z $

So $ Det\left( [J_x, J_y] \right) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_xJ_y)-Det(J_yJ_x) = i Det(J_z) $
$\therefore Det(J_x)Det(J_y)-Det(J_y)Det(J_x) = i Det(J_z) $

I think you can see why I am confused here, usual question (sigh) what have I done wrong please?
[math]|x + y| \neq |x| + |y| [/math]

-Dan
 
Also,
$$\text{det}(iJ_z)\not=i \, \text{det}(J_z),\qquad \text{but} \qquad \text{det}(iJ_z)=i^n \, \text{det}(J_z),$$
where $n\times n$ is the size of the $J_z$ matrix.
 
topsquark said:
[math]|x + y| \neq |x| + |y| [/math]

-Dan
Sorry, don't understand, how does relate to commutator? Ta
 
ognik said:
Sorry, don't understand, how does relate to commutator? Ta

I could be wrong, but I think topsquark is saying that going from the first to the second line is invalid. That is,
$$\text{det}(AB-BA) \not= \text{det}(AB) - \text{det}(BA).$$
 
Sometimes I can't see the wood for the trees, thanks guys.
 

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