Understanding the Graph of U = k*abs(x)

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The discussion revolves around understanding the potential energy function U = k*abs(x) and its implications for motion, particularly in relation to velocity versus time graphs. Participants explore the characteristics of the function and its non-differentiability, questioning how to derive related motion equations.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between potential energy and force, with some attempting to derive velocity as a function of time from the potential energy function. Questions arise about the nature of the resulting velocity graph and how to connect it to simple harmonic motion (SHM).

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing insights on deriving velocity functions and expressing uncertainty about solving second-order differential equations. There is a mix of attempts to clarify concepts and explore different mathematical approaches without reaching a consensus.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the derivation of sinusoidal functions related to SHM and the implications of the non-differentiable nature of the potential energy function. There is mention of previous discussions on related topics, indicating a broader context of inquiry.

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----abs( ) refers to absolute value

The potential energy for a function is given as U = k*abs(x). The motion is not SMH because U is non-differentiable at some point, but is periodic due there being a stable equilibrium. I was asked to come up with a velocity vs. time graph for this...but I don't know how the hell they got it (I don't even know how to derive the sinousidal functions for SMH)...the graph is not a trigonometric function and looks a little like this:

\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Its sort of like a sine function, except with alternating line segments.

The t-axis runs horizontally through the middle and the v-axis runs vertically so that the velocity is 0 at t = 0. How do I get this sort of graph.
 
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Force is the (negative) derivative of potential with respect to position. So, you'll be able to find acceleration as a function of position. Then, do some chain rule stuff and you should be able to find velocity as a function of time.

edit: oh hey, you're the guy that helped me with my (other) gauss's law post.

edit2: oh wait, that just rederives K = -U.
 
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I did what you said with a little bit of calc, but I ended up getting a linear function for velocity. The linear function does, however, portray the velocity function over selective intervals.
Guess I'll shift the question to something else: How would I mathematically derive the equations for the sinousidal functions of Simple Harmonic Motion?
 
It's easy to find velocity as a function of position, but I'm not sure how to find it as a function of time. But, SHM (for springs) is derived like this:

[tex]F = ma => \frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = \frac{-k}{m} x[/tex]

In other words, the second derivative of position is proportional to position. The only functions that satisfy this property are the sine and cosine functions. Solving a second-order differential equation is not simple, so introductory physics books derive it this way.
 
oh...I don't know how to solve for second-order differentials.
 
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