Understanding the Inverse-Square Law in Physics

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The discussion centers around the inverse-square law in physics, exploring its implications, underlying principles, and various interpretations. Participants examine its relevance in different contexts, including gravitational and electromagnetic forces, as well as its geometric foundations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the inverse-square law appears in various forces, such as gravity and Coulomb's force, and question its deeper meaning and implications.
  • One participant explains that the inverse-square relationship arises from the geometry of a sphere, where the surface area increases with the square of the radius, leading to a decrease in field strength.
  • Another participant asserts that the inverse-square law is fundamentally a geometric property, not solely a physical one, suggesting that similar results could be obtained through different scenarios, such as tossing cranberries.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between field theory and the inverse-square law, with one mentioning that massless fields have propagators that behave as 1/p², linking it to the Coulomb potential.
  • There is a contention regarding the necessity of field theory in explaining the inverse-square law, with some arguing that it is overcomplicated for the question at hand.
  • Several participants provide examples, such as shockwave intensity and the distribution of berries, to illustrate that the inverse-square law applies to various phenomena beyond fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of field theory in understanding the inverse-square law, with some emphasizing its geometric nature while others argue for the relevance of fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to explain the law.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight that the application of the inverse-square law may depend on specific conditions, such as the presence of field lines or the nature of the propagating phenomenon.

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We've seen some occurences of the inverse-square law in many forces in physics. For ex: the gravity and the Coulomb's force.

But my question is: what does that mean? What does the inverse-square law mean?

Gravity is caused by curvature of space-time due to the presence of a mass (or energy). I read in some book (that I don't remember the name) that other properties of elementary particles could cause curvature in other recurved dimensions of our universe. Then when a force is caused by a curvature in some dimension (or dimensions) it always obbeys the inverse-square law?

Do anyone knows something interesting about this?

Thank you.
 
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If a field comes from a point source radially outwards (or at least can be thought of as one), then it's like a sphere made of field lines. Because a sphere's surface area is \pir^2, as r increases the surface area also increases, and the field lines would therefore decrease in an inverse square relation.

The picture here will help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law
 
Yes, you should realize that the effect is nothing more than geometry; it is not a property of the physics involved.

You'd get the same result if you set it up an array of fruit crates into which you were tossing cranberries. :smile:
 
One can try to understand the inverse square law from field theory. A massless field (e.g. the electromagnetic field) has a propagator which behaves as 1/p² where p is the n-momentum of the particle. The related potential (e.g. the Coulomb potential) is the Fourier transform of 1/p². For D>2 the behavour is always ~ 1/rD-2. So for D=3 one gets 1/r for the Coulomb potential. The same reasoning applies to the gravitational field.

It is interesting that the classical reasoning with the surface of the sphere and the field theoretic calculation both lead to the same result.
 
tom.stoer said:
One can try to understand the inverse square law from field theory.

Again though, for the sake the OP's understanding of the issue, the inverse square law is more fundamental than any field or particle physics.

(If he were asking about, say, the relationship between the diameter of a circle and its circumference, we wouldn't explain it in terms of planetary motion or somesuch, we'd say pi is the fundamental relationship. Full stop.)

The inverse square law is simply a property of the surface of an expanding sphere Any expanding sphere. As mentioned, I could toss berries into (strategically-arranged) buckets and it would obey the same law.
 
I don't think that you are right. In order to apply the argument regarding the surface of a sphere you have to have something in mind like field lines. So you end up with fields again ...
 
But it applies equally well to something like shockwave intensity. Or the berries. In either case, no field lines are involved. It's just that in 3 spatial dimensions, anything which "propagates" outwards in all directions equally will obey an inverse-square law.

And in any case, invoking field theory seems like overkill for this question.
 
tom.stoer said:
I don't think that you are right. In order to apply the argument regarding the surface of a sphere you have to have something in mind like field lines. So you end up with fields again ...

Throwing berries through a line of fence-grids at 2 yards, 4 yards and 6 yards will result in 9 berries per grid at 2 yards, 4 berries per grid at 4 yards and 1 berry per grid at 6 yards.

The beam from a flashlight or BBs from a BB gun firing random shots will obey the same law.
 
diazona said:
And in any case, invoking field theory seems like overkill for this question.
Good point.
 

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