Understanding the Limit Comparison Test for Sequences

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The discussion revolves around understanding the Limit Comparison Test for sequences, particularly in the context of a specific problem from a homework assignment. Participants are trying to clarify the implications of the test and its relevance to the convergence of sequences and series.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the relationship between the Limit Comparison Test and the behavior of sequences, particularly whether one can have a situation where one function is always less than or equal to another, yet their limits differ. There is also a discussion about the applicability of the test to sequences versus infinite series.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the Limit Comparison Test. Some have expressed confusion about its application and are seeking clarity on the reasoning behind the test. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a rigorous understanding, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are working with a specific homework problem and are referencing a solution that includes a statement they find unclear. There is a mention of textbook resources and the perceived lack of relevant theorems, which may be influencing their understanding.

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Homework Statement



For question 20.16 (a) in this link:

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~johnsonb/Welcome_files/104/104hw7sum06.pdf

I don't understand the last sentence in the solution. How/why does the limit comparison test for sequences tell us that result?

Thanks in advance

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Artusartos said:

Homework Statement



For question 20.16 (a) in this link:

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~johnsonb/Welcome_files/104/104hw7sum06.pdf

I don't understand the last sentence in the solution. How/why does the limit comparison test for sequences tell us that result?

Thanks in advance

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The Attempt at a Solution


Can you have ##f_1(x_n) \leq f_2(x_n) \; \forall n## but ##\lim_{n \to \infty} f_1(x_n) > \lim_{n \to \infty} f_2(x_n)?##
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Can you have ##f_1(x_n) \leq f_2(x_n) \; \forall n## but ##\lim_{n \to \infty} f_1(x_n) > \lim_{n \to \infty} f_2(x_n)?##

No but isn't that what we are trying to prove?

Of course, when I think about it, it makes sense. But I can't see any theorem like that in my textbook...
 
I've been thinking a bit about this, and I'm also curious why the Limit Comparison Test should be helpful.

Isn't the limit comparison test related not just to sequences, but specifically to infinite series? Since we're already told that both f_1 and f_2 converge to finite values as x->a+, why is it helpful that the LCT should tell us they both converge together?

In the proof provided in the OP's link, I follow most of the author's reasoning. I just don't see how LCT comes into it at all.

If this is not rigorous enough, someone please critique, but I am tempted to just leave it at the following:

Let \langle x_n \rangle be a sequence of elements in (a,b) converging to a.

We know:
f_1(x_n) \leq f_2(x_n), for all n

It must follow that:
\lim_{n \to \infty} f_1(x_n) \leq \lim_{n \to \infty} f_2(x_n)

which, by hypothesis, implies:
L_1 \leq L_2

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Is this also a satisfactory proof?
 
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No but isn't that what we are trying to prove?

Of course, when I think about it, it makes sense. But I can't see any theorem like that in my textbook...

It is probably regarded as obvious; in any case its proof is just about as simple as you can get; just assume the result is false and see what happens.
 

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