Understanding the Role of Winding and Conductors in Electrical Circuits

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The discussion revolves around the role of winding and conductors in electrical circuits, particularly focusing on the behavior of current in spiral-wound configurations such as motors, transformers, and heating elements. The scope includes technical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding insulation and current flow in these contexts.

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  • Some participants question why current would flow through a spiral path when conductors can "jump" to adjacent wires, suggesting a need for clarification on current behavior in wound conductors.
  • Others point out that the wiring in motors, transformers, and inductors is insulated, which affects how current flows between turns.
  • One participant elaborates on the types of insulation used for "magnet wire," noting that different thicknesses of insulation can influence the spacing of windings and the resulting leakage inductance.
  • Another participant mentions that in some spiral-wound heating elements, the wire is not insulated, and adjacent turns are held apart by an insulating former, which affects electrical contact.
  • It is noted that for single-layer windings, the voltage between adjacent turns is relatively low, which may reduce the need for high-quality insulation between them.

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Participants express differing views on the insulation of conductors in various applications, with some asserting that insulation is necessary while others provide examples where it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences on current flow.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about insulation quality and its effects on current flow, as well as the specific applications being discussed, which may vary significantly in design and function.

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when conductors are wound, they touch each other.

why would the current flow through the spiral path when they can just jump on the next wire??
 
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Are you referring to motors, transformers, and inductors for example?
If so, the wiring in those is insulated.
 
kevs926 said:
when conductors are wound, they touch each other.

why would the current flow through the spiral path when they can just jump on the next wire??

As mdjensen says, the wires are insulated. Just to add a bit to that -- there are different thicknesses of insulation for "magnet wire", or wire that is being used to wind magnetic components.

The thicknesses are typically called "single build" (the thinnest), "double-build" and "triple build" (pretty thick). You use the thinnest insulation that you can (as long as the voltage insulation rating is high enough for your needs), so that you can space the windings as close together as possible. That helps to lower the "leakage inductance", which is basically a measure of how much magnetic field is not in the magnetic path that you want it to be in.
 
The wire used in some spiral-wound heating elements is not insulated. In this case, although adjacent turns of wire may look as if they touch, they are in fact held apart in grooves on an electrically insulating heat-resistant former.

The design of wire-wound resistors also avoids the turns touching, and usually the wire is embedded in vitreous enamel, or some other insulating material.
 
The insulation may not need to be 'too good' betweeen adjacent turns because, for a single layer, the voltage between them will only be Supply Volts / Number of turns. When there are more layers, of course, you can expect much higher volts between layers.
 

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