Understanding the Shape of Magnetic Fields: Insights on Single Moving Particles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the shape of magnetic fields surrounding a single moving particle, contrasting it with established configurations around current-carrying wires, solenoids, and magnets. Participants explore theoretical implications and related phenomena, including the Meissner effect in superconductors.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses understanding of magnetic fields around wires, solenoids, and magnets but seeks clarity on the magnetic field shape around a single moving particle.
  • Another participant suggests that magnetic energy is not solely concentrated within coil windings and discusses the relationship between ion migration velocity and voltage.
  • A clarification is made regarding the description of magnetic field lines around wires and magnets, emphasizing the need to understand how these lines would appear around a single moving particle.
  • One participant proposes that the magnetic field lines around a single moving particle can be conceptualized as circles surrounding the particle's path, with field strength varying based on the particle's distance.
  • A different perspective is introduced regarding the Meissner effect, noting that magnetism does not penetrate superconductors, implying a unique interaction with magnetic fields.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the shape of the magnetic field around a single moving particle, and multiple competing views are presented regarding the nature of magnetic fields and their interactions with superconductors.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of detailed assumptions about the conditions under which the magnetic fields are being considered, as well as the dependence on definitions of magnetic field configurations.

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i know how the magnetic field is shaped around a wire with current,
and in the case of a solenoid,
and in a bar magnet or U-magnet
but that is the sum of all the magnetic fields of the charges moving through them.

what i still don't know is the shape of the magnetic field surrounding a single moving particle, any comments to that ?
 
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Magnetic energy is not simply concentrated within coil windings, the existence of windings increases magnetic energy per current.

The increased magnetism at windings is not due to higher electron velocity. Ion migration velocity is a function of volts, not bends versus straight wire.
 
bad wording on my part maybe

i mean that for a wire with a current the magnetic field can be described using lines of force/flux going around the wire in circles,
in a solenoid the lines go through and to the other end,
when speaking of magnets the lines go from the north pole to the south

what I'm saying i still don't know how the lines would be like around a single moving particle
 
You can think of them as circles going around the path of the particle, with the magnitude of the field increasing as the particle approaches and decreasing as the particle recedes.
 
What about the Meissner effect? Magnetism does not penetrate below the skin of a superconductor. In other words, the coil wires of a superconductive magnet are holes in a magnetic field.
 

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