Understanding the Speed of Light in Theory of Relativity: A Beginner's Guide

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the speed of light in the context of the theory of relativity, particularly focusing on hypothetical scenarios involving traveling at significant fractions of the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of such speeds on the perception of light and the fundamental principles of relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the implications of traveling at half the speed of light and questions whether they could theoretically pass light from the sun if they made the trip in 4 minutes.
  • Another participant points out that to make the trip in 4 minutes, one would need to travel at twice the speed of light, which is not possible according to current physical laws.
  • Some participants acknowledge the hypothetical nature of the question but emphasize that such scenarios violate established physics.
  • There is a discussion about the constancy of the speed of light, with one participant noting that light would still travel at its normal speed relative to any observer, regardless of their speed.
  • A participant explains the difference in how velocities add at relativistic speeds compared to classical speeds, referencing the relativistic velocity addition formula.
  • Another participant mentions Einstein's thought experiment about chasing a light beam, raising questions about perception at high speeds.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that traveling faster than the speed of light is not possible, but there is no consensus on the implications of traveling at half the speed of light and the nature of light's speed relative to observers.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the explanations of relativistic effects and the implications of hypothetical scenarios, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in the fundamentals of the theory of relativity, the nature of light, and the implications of high-speed travel may find this discussion informative.

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Hi I am new to understanding the theory of relativity so please excuse me. I can make sense of most of it. The one thing I am having a hard time grasping is:

If i travel at half the speed of light in one direction, light is still going by me at light speed in the same direction.

It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach earth. So can't i theoretically pass that light leaving from the sun if i can make that same trip in 4 min?

please explain in Lamen's terms so i can understand.
Thanks for your time,
 
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osiris774 said:
It takes 8 minutes for light from the sun to reach earth. So can't i theoretically pass that light leaving from the sun if i can make that same trip in 4 min?
In order for you to make the trip in 4 min, you'd have to move at twice the speed of light. No can do. (Assuming you mean 4 minutes as seen from earth.)
 
I know its not possible to travel that fast...i said hypothically speaking of course.
 
osiris774 said:
I know its not possible to travel that fast...i said hypothically speaking of course.
Since that would violate currently accepted physical law, I'm not sure what kind of answer you want. It's like saying "Ignoring physics, what would happen if I do such and such..." Beats me!
 
well they say if i could travel half the speed of light let's say...light would still be going by me at the speed of light in the same direction. Ignoring that fact that i can't travel half the speed of light, why would light still go by me at it's normal speed?
 
osiris774 said:
well they say if i could travel half the speed of light let's say...light would still be going by me at the speed of light in the same direction. Ignoring that fact that i can't travel half the speed of light, why would light still go by me at it's normal speed?
There's nothing wrong with going half the speed of light (at least in a thought experiment). Going at twice the speed of light is a problem. :wink:

As to why the speed of light is always the same with respect to any observer, I don't know how to give a satisfying answer to that. One thing to point out is that high speeds do not add in the same manner as low speeds. For example: If you ride a train moving at 50 mph, and you throw a baseball towards the front of the train at 50 mph, the speed of the baseball with respect to the ground is 50 + 50 = 100 mph. But if the train was moving at half the speed of light, and you threw the "baseball" at half the speed of light, the speed of the baseball with respect to the ground would not be 1/2 + 1/2 = the speed of light. Instead, you'd have to use the relativistic rule for the addition of velocity:

[tex]V_{a/c} = \frac{V_{a/b} + V_{b/c}}{1 + (V_{a/b} V_{b/c})/c^2}[/tex]

Thus the speed of the baseball with respect to the ground would only be 0.8 times the speed of light.
 
Einstein asked the question if he was going faster and faster on a bicycle chasing a light beam, well, could he look in the rear view mirror and see himself?
 
ok thanks doc.
 
osiris774 you might be interested in [THREAD=215019]this conversation[/THREAD] that has been going on recently.
 

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