Understanding the Trivial Zeros of the Riemann Hypothesis

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The discussion revolves around the trivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function, exploring concepts such as analytic continuation, the functional equation, and the relationship between the series representation and the functional equation. Participants examine the implications of these concepts for understanding the zeros of the zeta function, particularly in the context of complex analysis.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for clarification on the trivial zeros and their representation in terms of the zeta function.
  • Another participant notes that the series representation of the zeta function is only valid for real parts of k greater than 1, suggesting the functional equation as a means to understand trivial zeros.
  • Discussion on analytic continuation is introduced, with references to the complex gamma function and its relationship to the Riemann zeta function.
  • Participants discuss how to extend the domain of the zeta function using the functional equation, with one participant emphasizing the need for a solid understanding of complex analysis.
  • There is a clarification that while the series diverges for certain values (-2, -4, ...), the functional equation provides a valid definition for the zeta function at those points, leading to the identification of trivial zeros.
  • One participant challenges a previous statement about the equivalence of the functional equation and series form at certain points, emphasizing the divergence of the series for real parts not greater than 1.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the series representation and the functional equation, particularly regarding the validity of the zeta function at certain values. There is no consensus on the implications of these relationships, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of the zeta function and the functional equation, as well as the unresolved nature of the mathematical steps involved in the analytic continuation process.

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Can somebody explain me about the trivial zeros?

Why [tex]\zeta(-2) = \zeta(-4) = \zeta(-6) = 0 = \zeta(k)[/tex]

So [tex]\zeta(k) \sum_{n=1}^{ \infty} \frac{1}{n^k} = 0[/tex]?
 
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That series representation is only valid when the real part of k is bigger than 1. The functional equation is one way to see the trivial zeroes.
 
The idea here is analytic continuation. To extend the domain of the Riemann zeta function analytically. Now the important concept here is the complex gamma function. It can be show as Hurkyl says that the Riemann zeta function and complex gamma function satisfy the functional equation. Now we can extend the definition of the Riemann function by this property since the gamma function is still defined here. This immediately leads to the "trivial zeros".
 
How do you "Extend the domain?"
 
two holomorphic functions that coincide in a sub-domain which has an accumulation point coincide on the intersection of their domains. So you have a unique function defined on the union of their domains. we call this analytic continuation.
 
this property depends on the fact that a holomorphic function has a unique tayler series expansion.
 
kezman said:
How do you "Extend the domain?"

By using the functional equation. You see the Riemann zeta function agree on some region with the functional equation involving the gamma function. Since they agree on this region they must agree everywhere (as Lozerno say) if you want to extend the Riemann function analytically (i.e. analytic continuation) that is how it must be done.

I recommend to learn the complex gamma function extremely well before attempting to do this in detail. Have you ever learn Complex Analysis? It would be impossible to understand otherwise (even if you are Grothendieck)?
 
I was going to ask you if i had to wait for complex analysis. I am on my way.

"You see the Riemann zeta function agree on some region with the functional equation involving the gamma function. Since they agree on this region they must agree everywhere (as Lozerno say) if you want to extend the Riemann function analytically (i.e. analytic continuation) that is how it must be done."

Thats interesting. So the functional equation evaluated in for example 2, gives the same as in the series form.
 
kezman said:
Thats interesting. So the functional equation evaluated in for example 2, gives the same as in the series form.
No! The series form of the Zeta function only works for real parts strictly greater than 1. It can be proved that functional equation is the same as the infinite series when the real part is greater than 1. However, what happens if the real part is not greater than 1? Then the series diverges. However, the functional equation still has sense. So we define the Zeta function to be equal to this value. It is a perfectly reasonable definition. That is what Bernhard Riemann did. The Zeta function was orginally discovered in the 18th Century by the great Euler. However, it only worked for real part greater than 1 domains. Riemann found this functional equation and got the idea that we can extend this function in a natural way.

So even though -2,-4,... make the series diverge we rather look at the functional equation for this to make sense. And we can easily see that these are the "trivial zeros".

Let me try to explain paragraph #2. {-2,-4,...} are not trivial zeros of Euler's Zeta function (because it diverges) (they are not even zeros!). However, {-2,-4,...} are trivial zeros of Riemann's Zeta function because this function is more than just infinite series and it is defined and zero at these values.
 
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Originally Posted by kezman
Thats interesting. So the functional equation evaluated in for example 2, gives the same as in the series form.

No! The series form of the Zeta function only works for real parts strictly greater than 1. It can be proved that functional equation is the same as the infinite series when the real part is greater than 1
So the functional equation in 2 is [tex]\pi^2/6[/tex]?
 

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