Understanding the wavefunction for a free particle

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the wavefunction for a free particle, specifically focusing on the conditions under which the wavefunction's oscillating exponentials are considered eigenfunctions with positive energy. Participants explore the implications of real versus complex values for the parameters involved and seek clarification on the mathematical foundations and terminology associated with these exponentials in the context of the Schrödinger Equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding the statement that both k and kappa must be real for the oscillating exponentials to be eigenfunctions with positive energy.
  • There is a request for clarification on the nature of the exponentials e^(±ikx) and e^(±κx), including their names and contexts of use.
  • One participant suggests that allowing k to be complex leads to solutions that correspond to imaginary values of kappa, which complicates the separation of cases.
  • Another participant provides a detailed explanation of the mathematical framework involving Hilbert spaces and generalized eigenfunctions, emphasizing the need for real eigenvalues in quantum mechanics.
  • Concerns are raised about the wording in the original statement, with some participants noting that the time-independent Schrödinger Equation leads to conditions that require energy to be real.
  • There is a consensus that plane waves do not represent physical states, which is highlighted as a source of confusion in understanding the solutions to the Schrödinger equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of distinguishing between mathematical solutions and physical realizability of states. However, there remains disagreement and uncertainty regarding the specific implications of real versus complex values for k and kappa, as well as the interpretation of the original statement about oscillating exponentials.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations in the discussion include the dependence on definitions of terms like eigenfunctions and the unresolved mathematical steps related to the implications of complex values for k and kappa. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with the underlying mathematical concepts.

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Hi everybody,
I was reading about the free particle in a textbook and I got confused by the line:
"If we adopt the convention that k and k are real, then the only oscillating exponentials are the eigenfuntions with positive energy" [Also see the attached picture with the paragraph.]
What is the rationale for that line? Furthermore, does anybody have a link where I can read about those exponentials? I couldn't find them online and I am curious to know how and when they are used to solve the Schrödinger Equation!
 

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majormuss said:
Hi everybody,
I was reading about the free particle in a textbook and I got confused by the line:
"If we adopt the convention that k and k are real, then the only oscillating exponentials are the eigenfuntions with positive energy" [Also see the attached picture with the paragraph.]
What is the rationale for that line? Furthermore, does anybody have a link where I can read about those exponentials? I couldn't find them online and I am curious to know how and when they are used to solve the Schrödinger Equation!
Insert the ##\psi## in the (time independent) SE and see they satisfy the equation !
 
I don't doubt that they satisfy the equation. My question is about the line,
If we adopt the convention that k and k are real, then the only oscillating exponentials are the eigenfuntions with positive energy"
Why is there a need for both k and kappa be real? And what are those exponentials e^(+-ikx) and e^(+-kx) called and where can I read more about them?
 
majormuss said:
I don't doubt that they satisfy the equation. My question is about the line,
If we adopt the convention that k and k are real, then the only oscillating exponentials are the eigenfuntions with positive energy"
Why is there a need for both k and kappa be real? And what are those exponentials e^(+-ikx) and e^(+-kx) called and where can I read more about them?
Because if they are not real, then it is difficult to separate the two cases. For instance, an imaginary κ would correspond to a real k.

I don't know of any particular name for these exponentials. They come from the mathematics of differential equations.
 
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majormuss said:
I don't doubt that they satisfy the equation. My question is about the line,
If we adopt the convention that k and k are real, then the only oscillating exponentials are the eigenfuntions with positive energy"
Why is there a need for both k and kappa be real? And what are those exponentials e^(+-ikx) and e^(+-kx) called and where can I read more about them?

If you let ##k## be complex, then you get all the solutions with ##k^2 = -\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}## hence:

##k = \pm i \frac{\sqrt{2mE}}{\hbar}##

And:

##\psi(x) = Ae^{\pm i \frac{\sqrt{2mE}}{\hbar}x}##

So, it amounts to the same thing. Taking ##k## as real initially is just a bit of a shortcut, based to some extent on knowing the solution in advance!
 
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What's the source? It's very inaccurate.

The rationale is the following: In wave mechanics the vectors of the quantum mechanical Hilbert space are represented by square integrable functions ##\psi:\mathbb{R}^3 \rightarrow \mathbb{C}##. The position vector ##\vec{x}## is represented by the multiplication of the wave function with ##\vec{x}##, and momentum by ##\hat{\vec{p}}=-\hbar \vec{\nabla}##.

These operators are defined on a dense subspace of these Hilbert space of square-integrable functions. Now you can ask for the generalized eigenfunctions of momentum. They obey the equation
$$\hat{\vec{p}} u_{\vec{p}}(\vec{x})=\vec{p} \psi(\vec{x}).$$
The operators have to be understood as self-adjoint operators, and their eigenvalues are thus real. For real ##\vec{p}## the solution of the eigenvalue problem reads
$$u_{\vec{p}}(\vec{x})=\frac{1}{(2 \pi \hbar)^{3/2}} \exp\left (\frac{\mathrm{i} \vec{x} \cdot \vec{p}}{\hbar} \right).$$
I've normalized this generalized functions "to the ##\delta## distibution", i.e.,
$$\langle u_{\vec{p}'}|u_{\vec{p}} \rangle=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} u_{\vec{p}'}^*(\vec{x}) u_{\vec{p}}(\vec{x})=\delta^{(3)}(\vec{p}-\vec{p}').$$
These generalized eigenfunctions do NOT represent states since they are not square integrable, but you can describe all wave functions in terms of generalized momentum eigenstates:
$$\psi(\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{p} u_{\vec{p}} (\vec{x}) \tilde{\psi}(\vec{p}),$$
where ##\tilde{\psi}(\vec{p})## is a square integrable function. Then also ##\psi(\vec{x})## is a square integrable function and represents a state of the particle. For the given wave function ##\psi(\vec{x})## you find the ##\tilde{\psi}(\vec{x})## by the inverse transformation (it's a Fourier transformation!):
$$\tilde{\psi}(\vec{p})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x} u^*(\vec{p})(\vec{x}) \psi(\vec{x}).$$
 
I agree the wording is odd. The time-independent SE leads to a time part of the solution of the time-dependent SE of the form ##\exp({-iEt/ \hbar})##. The continuity equation forces ##(E-E^*) = 0## so E is real.

Then: with the most general form, a complex ##e^{{\bf \alpha} x} ## where ##{\bf \alpha} = \kappa + ik \ \ ## (##\kappa## and ##k## real), you get from the time-independent SE: ##\ \ -{\hbar^2\over 2m}{\bf\alpha}^2 = E\ ## . Positive, real-valued E requires ##\kappa = 0##.

As vanHees points out, these are solutions, eigenfunctions of the Hamiltonian. They are not physically realizable states (not normalizable). But that is (I expect) a subject further on in your curriculum.
 
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That the plane waves are not representing states, is a very important point. A lot of confusion arises from not making this very clear in the very first encounter of these generalized solutions of the Schrödinger equation!
 

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