Understanding Third Derivatives and Matrix Multiplication in Calculus

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The discussion revolves around understanding the third derivatives of certain functions and the subsequent multiplication of a 3 by 3 matrix. Participants express confusion regarding the differentiation process, particularly with specific functions involving exponential and trigonometric components.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the correctness of derivatives provided in the problem, specifically regarding the application of the product rule. There is also mention of potential typos in the matrix representation.

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Some participants have offered insights into the differentiation process, suggesting that the original poster may need to apply the product rule for the functions in question. There is acknowledgment of confusion, but also a recognition of progress in understanding from some participants.

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Participants note discrepancies in the derivatives and express uncertainty about the steps taken in the solution. There is a focus on ensuring the correct application of differentiation rules, particularly in the context of products of functions.

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In the following problem they are taking the third derivative, then multiplying a 3 by 3 matrix. I don't understand how they progress from the first to the second to the third deriviative in the following two questions.

These are the parts of the solution that I really don't understand

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What's going on? -3 sin t is not the derivative of -3 sin t


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The derivative of e^t(cos t - sin t) is (e^t)(-sin t - cos t) not 2e^t sin t
The derivative of e^t(sin t + cos t) is (e^t)(cos t - sin t) not (2e^t)(cos t)

I don't understand.
 
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I looked at some more examples and they take the derivative for all the others and I understand them. I don't however understand the derivatives of the two above.
 


bobsmith76 said:

Homework Statement





In the following problem they are taking the third derivative, then multiplying a 3 by 3 matrix. I don't understand how they progress from the first to the second to the third deriviative in the following two questions.

These are the parts of the solution that I really don't understand

Screenshot2012-02-26at101710PMcopy2.png


What's going on? -3 sin t is not the derivative of -3 sin t
Looks like a typo to me. The middle row in the 2nd column should be -3cos(t).
bobsmith76 said:
Screenshot2012-02-26at101727PMcopy.png


The derivative of e^t(cos t - sin t) is (e^t)(-sin t - cos t) not 2e^t sin t
The derivative of e^t(sin t + cos t) is (e^t)(cos t - sin t) not (2e^t)(cos t)
Your work here is incorrect. Both functions are products, so you need to use the product rule when you differentiate.
bobsmith76 said:
I don't understand.
 


excellent. i got it now. i really appreciate your help.
 

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