Understanding Transformer Power Measurements with Open Circuit Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of power in transformers using open circuit experiments. Participants explore the relationships between various parameters such as magnetizing inductance (aM), equivalent impedance (z_eq), and the resistances involved in the circuit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants mention that in a good transformer, the power wasted on resistance R_1 is much smaller than that on resistance R_c, suggesting that the power measured will primarily reflect R_c.
  • There is a question regarding the definition of aM as L_c, with some uncertainty about why it is labeled aM and its implications for the measurement process.
  • Participants express confusion about how to derive aM from the total impedance and seek clarification on its meaning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved regarding the definitions and calculations related to aM and its relationship to the transformer’s impedance.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the definitions or the methodology for measuring aM, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the circuit setup.

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http://i44.tinypic.com/142zgg5.jpg

they say that we can measure aM and R_c

they say that in a good transformer the power waisted on R_1
is much smaller then on R_c
then we can neglect the power on R_c
so the power measured on the power meter will be the power on R_c

http://i39.tinypic.com/20zpcvm.jpg

why
aM=L_c
?
if we measure the voltage threw those to points
we need to know the current to get z_eq
and i don't have short circuit citiation here
 
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nhrock3 said:
http://i44.tinypic.com/142zgg5.jpg

they say that we can measure aM and R_c

they say that in a good transformer the power waisted on R_1
is much smaller then on R_c
then we can neglect the power on R_c
so the power measured on the power meter will be the power on R_c

http://i39.tinypic.com/20zpcvm.jpg

why
aM=L_c
?
if we measure the voltage threw those to points
we need to know the current to get z_eq
and i don't have short circuit citiation here

I think they are just asserting that aM = L_c. I don't know why they labelled it aM in the first place. It's the magnetizing inductance of the transformer, I would think, in parallel with the transformed load resistance.
 
i posted it in the wrong sub forum
damn i am tired
please move it to tech
 
No worries, thread moved. Are they just making a definition for us to use?
 
no they just say that from the total impedance we could know aM

but i don't know how?
 
nhrock3 said:
no they just say that from the total impedance we could know aM

but i don't know how?

What does aM stand for anyway?
 

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