Understanding Units of Work in Physics: A Brief Explanation

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The discussion revolves around understanding the units of work in physics, specifically focusing on the relationship between force, mass, and distance, as well as the dimensional analysis of different unit systems such as SI units and foot-pounds.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to verify their understanding of the units involved in calculating work, questioning the dimensional equivalence of Joules and foot-pounds.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the original poster's calculations and provide additional context regarding the use of pounds as a unit of weight versus mass.
  • Others raise points about historical context and potential confusion surrounding the terminology of units of force and weight.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes confirmations of the original poster's calculations and clarifications about the use of different units. Participants are exploring the implications of using pounds and kilograms in various contexts, with some expressing confusion over historical definitions and terminology.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of differing conventions in measuring weight and force, as well as historical shifts in terminology that may contribute to confusion among students.

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Hey there,

I'm in a math class and we're covering some applications to physics and although I completely understand the math behind it and am getting the correct answers, I'm a little iffy on how some of the units work.

Would anyone be kind enough to tell me whether or not my thought process here is correct? Since my book covers the theory behind the math, it doesn't really cover how the units work.

Work = Force*Distance
Force = Mass*Acceleration

Let's say that we measured mass in kg and acceleration in m/s^2.

F = (kg)(m/s^2) = Newton

Plugging this into work and taking distance to be measured in meters:

W = [(kg)(m/s^2)]*(m) = (kg)(m^2/s^2) = Joules

Is the above correct?

Also, my book uses notation I'm unfamiliar with (ft - lb) and calls it foot-pounds.

Would it be dimensionally equal to Joules but using feet and pounds instead?
That is, would it be equal to (lb)(ft^2/s^2)?

Thanks for any help.
I'm just concerned I'm not understanding this correctly and on a test I'll write units that don't mean what I actually mean to say.
 
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The SI units are correct. For foot-pounds: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy )
 
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Mangoes said:
Work = Force*Distance
Force = Mass*Acceleration

Let's say that we measured mass in kg and acceleration in m/s^2.

F = (kg)(m/s^2) = Newton

Plugging this into work and taking distance to be measured in meters:

W = [(kg)(m/s^2)]*(m) = (kg)(m^2/s^2) = Joules

Is the above correct?

It is correct. Work is force *distance, the unit is Newton-meter=kg*m^2/s^2 and it has the name "joule" (J)

Mangoes said:
Also, my book uses notation I'm unfamiliar with (ft - lb) and calls it foot-pounds.

Would it be dimensionally equal to Joules but using feet and pounds instead?
That is, would it be equal to (lb)(ft^2/s^2)?

Thanks for any help.
I'm just concerned I'm not understanding this correctly and on a test I'll write units that don't mean what I actually mean to say.

As far as I know, "Pound" is unit of weight and that is force. So you can measure work in ft-lb units (foot*pound) .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-pound_(energy)

ehild
 
Oh wow, I'm being an idiot with the foot pounds thing.

Guess I'm too used to using pounds as a measure of mass in everyday life.

Thanks guys.
 
It is really very confusing. In the old times when I was at school, we used "kg " as unit of weight and the unit of work was m-kg. Later it was said the kg(weight) is the force the Earth attracts an 1 kg mass. The same happened to the pound, I guess.

See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mass.html

ehild
 
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Technically, "kg" as a unit of force was named "kilogram-force" and denoted as "kgf". Of course everybody abbreviated that to just kilogram and kg, and confusion frequently ensued.
 
voko said:
Technically, "kg" as a unit of force was named "kilogram-force" and denoted as "kgf". Of course everybody abbreviated that to just kilogram and kg, and confusion frequently ensued.

kilogram-force is more logical then "kilogram-weight" (kilogramsúly) as it was used in Hungary (súly=weight). It was very confusing, as it is with the different meanings of "pound". I read it is force in the US? http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mechanics/slug.html#c1

ehild
 

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