Understanding Watt vs. Kilowatt-Hour: A Comprehensive Explanation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the distinction between watts and watt-hours, exploring concepts of power and energy in the context of physics. Participants examine examples and calculations related to work done, power output, and energy consumption, addressing both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the difference between watts (power) and watt-hours (energy), using examples of work done over different time spans to illustrate their uncertainty.
  • Another participant clarifies that watts measure power as the rate of doing work, while watt-hours measure energy, emphasizing the relationship between power, energy, and time.
  • Some participants argue that watt-hours represent energy and not power, stating that the term "power produced in 1 hour" is misleading and that energy can be produced over varying time frames.
  • There is a contention regarding the use of terminology in common language, with some participants expressing frustration over the interchangeability of terms like "power" and "energy" in public discourse.
  • Participants discuss the implications of energy production and consumption, including the operational efficiency of energy sources like wind turbines and the economic aspects of energy sales to electric companies.
  • An analogy involving a bottled water factory is presented to illustrate the difference between a rate of production and a total quantity, further emphasizing the conceptual distinctions between power and energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the terminology used to describe power and energy, with multiple competing views on the implications of these terms in both scientific and everyday contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these concepts in public understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the limitations of common language in accurately conveying scientific concepts, noting that confusion can arise from the misuse of terms like "storing power" instead of "storing energy." There are also unresolved mathematical steps in the calculations presented by participants.

  • #31
I'm pretty sure the remark was just a comment on the fact that people lack intuition for visualizing energy quantities in real-life situations. We've seen time and time again the exact problem discussed above: that people are very surprised at just how little energy there is in lifting a weight vs doing other kinds of electrical work such as producing light or heat.
 
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  • #32
Yes I agree. I made the same point as you, a few posts back, that it's hard to reconcile the two energy forms. The only way to deal with these counter-intuitive things is to do some actual sums and get an answer that can reassure you. There is loads of "accurate data" available.

One useful comparison is between doing light work outside in warm weather and doing the same work out in sub zero conditions. You need an awful lot more food to keep going in the cold. This link could be a way into this subject. It is very complex.
 
  • #33
hi,

I just can't understand that remark at all

I may have used a bad formulation for my remark.

I'm pretty sure the remark was just a comment on the fact that people lack intuition for visualizing energy quantities in real-life situations.

yes. What I exactly meant is, say, lifting 1 kg up 1 meter and feel what it 'means' is easy, even for someone with zero science inclination. This is my real accurate data, 1 kg and 1 meter.

For heat, it's already a little more difficult to grasp. I think, I might be wrong, that for most people, it is difficult to have a clear image of a 1 degree rise in temperature, more so for the electrical energy needed to produce it.

The idea is to get super easy understandable examples that will trigger interest where there was none.

my problem now, I realize, is that even with kgs and meters, when you deal with such large numbers, it becomes intangible again, it's impossible to represent those amounts. I will have to change scales first I guess, start with the 100W light bulb.

Thanks again.
 

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