Understanding Wave Speed: Definitions and Concepts in Unidirectional Wave Motion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of wave speed in the context of unidirectional wave motion, exploring definitions, interpretations, and mathematical expressions related to wave propagation in various media.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definition of wave speed and its implications in unidirectional wave motion.
  • One participant suggests that wave speed is determined by the tension and elastic modulus of the medium, specifically in the case of a string.
  • Another participant references the relationship v=fλ, questioning its validity in defining wave speed.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of understanding how fast the peaks and troughs of a wave move as part of defining wave speed.
  • There is a claim that there is no general definition for wave speed that encompasses all types of waves, including pulses.
  • Participants introduce specific concepts such as phase velocity (v_p=ω/β) and group velocity (v_g=(dβ/dt)^{-1}), noting their dependence on medium properties and conditions.
  • One participant points out that phase velocity can exceed the speed of light, indicating a nuanced understanding of wave propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and interpretation of wave speed, with no consensus reached on a singular definition applicable to all wave types.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity in the term "wave," which may refer to different phenomena such as pulses or continuous waves, and the dependence of definitions on specific conditions and properties of the medium.

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say for example there is a pulse through a string .then what exactly is wave speed or for that matter in case of unidirectional wave motion
 
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Could you rephrase the question...I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you asking what determines the speed of a wave? If so, the answer is the tension and elastic modulus of the string.
 
how do u define wave speed
 
What's wrong with [itex]v=f\lambda[/itex]?

Zz.
 
i want to have the definition well the espression is well one perhaps a physical interpretation will do
 
Well, you get a wave, and look at how fast the peaks and troughs are moving.
 
pardesi said:
i want to have the definition well the espression is well one perhaps a physical interpretation will do

Could you say that again and maybe, this time, include a few punctuations?

Zz.
 
Sorry i didn't realize that how difficult is it to read that line without punctuation.
Could u please define Wave speed in general mathematically
 
There is no general definition for the speed of a "wave" if you by "wave" also mean pulses etc.

*The velocity at which a plane wave would propagate through a medium [tex]c[/tex] this is a constant which depends on properties of the medium (e.g. the speed of light or the speed of sound)

*Phase velocity, [tex]v_p=\omega/\beta[/tex], is the speed at which a constant phase point (i.e. a maximum) travels. [tex]\beta[/tex] is the propagation constant.

*Group velocity [tex]v_g=(d\beta/dt)^{-1}[/tex], is the speed at which a signal (such as a pulse) propagates thorugh a medium. This is only a meaninfull concept for signals with a narrow bandwidth or in media with low dispersion.

Note that you can have [tex]v_p>c[/tex].
 

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