Understanding Work in Physics: Explained by the W=FD Formula

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The discussion revolves around the concept of mechanical work in physics, specifically the formula W=FD, where work is defined as the product of force and distance. Participants explore the reasoning behind this multiplication and its implications in understanding work and energy transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that mechanical work is defined as W=FD, emphasizing that force is constant and parallel to displacement.
  • Another participant illustrates that pushing a cart with a constant force requires double the work to move it twice the distance, reinforcing the multiplication of force and distance.
  • A participant questions the reasoning behind using multiplication instead of addition, suggesting that the concept of work is not intuitively clear.
  • One response explains that work relates to the transfer of energy, which is directly proportional to both force and distance, thus justifying the multiplication.
  • Another participant argues that adding force and distance is not valid due to differing units, supporting the necessity of multiplication.
  • Further clarification is provided that energy needed is proportional to both force and distance, similar to other multiplicative relationships in physics, such as speed and time.
  • A later post reiterates the definition of mechanical work and expands on the mathematical derivation involving force and displacement in one dimension.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the multiplication of force and distance in the context of work. While some agree on the definition and reasoning behind the formula, others remain confused about the conceptual basis for using multiplication instead of addition, indicating unresolved questions and differing perspectives.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of work and energy transfer, as well as the mathematical steps involved in deriving the relationship between force, distance, and work. These aspects remain open for further exploration.

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Mechanical Work is defined as W=FD. Where F is a constant force. The force is parallel to the displacement(providing theta = 0) and in the same direction.

Why do we multiply Force TIMES distance? It's the multiplication that confuses me
 
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If you push a cart weighing 10 kg with a constant force, it takes double the work to move it twice the distance. Hence force x distance.
 
"Why" is a difficult question here. Ultimately, some guy saw FD as a useful thing to know and gave it the name "work". Beyond that, I'm really not sure what you are looking for.
 
Work is really about the transfer of energy (not heat, though) from one thing to another. The amount of energy imparted to an object is directly related to 1) the force acting on the object, and 2) the distance the object travels. Since the amount of energy imparted to an object increases when both force and distance increase, they get multiplied together.
 
timthereaper said:
Since the amount of energy imparted to an object increases when both force and distance increase, they get multiplied together.

Ok, so why not add the 2 instead?
 
Well for starters, you can't add quantities together that have different units...
 
cs23 said:
Ok, so why not add the 2 instead?
Because the energy needed is proportional both to the force and two the distance. The X sign is appropriate for that sort of calculation - same as multiplying speed times time to get distance or multiplying cost per item times number of items to get the total cost.
 
cs23 said:
Mechanical Work is defined as W=FD. Where F is a constant force. The force is parallel to the displacement(providing theta = 0) and in the same direction.

Why do we multiply Force TIMES distance? It's the multiplication that confuses me

In 1D:

F·dx=ma·dx=mdv/dt·dx=mdv·dx/dt=mvdv⇒∫F·dx=½mv²+constant. Similarly for the `impulse`,
F·dt=ma·dt=mdv/dt·dt=mdv⇒∫F·dt=mv+constant.
 

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