Understanding Zero Value Differential in Euler Number Equations

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The discussion revolves around a differential equation where acceleration is defined as a = 9 - v², and the goal is to prove a specific expression for velocity, v, involving the Euler number. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the relationship between the variables and the integration process needed to derive the equation for v.

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  • Participants discuss the original poster's attempts to integrate the differential equation and express concerns about the correctness of their steps. Some suggest starting from the given equation for v to verify it satisfies the differential equation. Others question the need for derivation versus verification of the provided solution.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various levels of guidance on integration techniques and the verification process. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, as some participants focus on solving the equation while others emphasize verifying the given solution.

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Participants note the importance of initial conditions and the potential need for reviewing integration techniques, such as partial fraction decomposition, to facilitate understanding. There are mentions of the original poster's lack of instructional support and their desire for further clarification on the problem.

  • #31
SammyS said:
However, ##\ \ln (0) \ ## is undefined as is ##\ \displaystyle \frac{|v-3|}{|v+3|} \ ## when the denominator is zero, i.e. when ##\ v=-3 \,.##
okay, I am grateful for your consideration , please answer my last question, I am know it somewhat annoying to deal with me, but at least if i get answer of this question i feel i could understand matter regarding absolute value in relation between integrating 1/x dx so please accompany me to the end
- as delta² already explained the maximum value of v is 3 and once v became 3 this object would move at constant speed since a=0 and it should not greater than 3 because a will turn negative (all from a=9-v²). so v is must smaller than 3.then v-3 turning into 3-v because 3 is must bigger than v
- on what condition we need review our work so we can check whether the result need be altered or not (i mean altered is like v-3 to become 3-v and not altered is like the answer i gave above)
 
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  • #32
Kampret said:
okay, I am grateful for your consideration , please answer my last question, I am know it somewhat annoying to deal with me, but at least if i get answer of this question i feel i could understand matter regarding absolute value in relation between integrating 1/x dx so please accompany me to the end
- as delta² already explained the maximum value of v is 3 and once v became 3 this object would move at constant speed since a=0 and it should not greater than 3 because a will turn negative (all from a=9-v²). so v is must smaller than 3.then v-3 turning into 3-v because 3 is must bigger than v
- on what condition we need review our work so we can check whether the result need be altered or not (i mean altered is like v-3 to become 3-v and not altered is like the answer i gave above)
Well, I was attempting to make a point by my question to you. (Remains un answered.) Let's leave that for now.

Kampret said:
please answer my last question
What question is that? In which post ?

Edit:

Maybe this will help with the answer.

You get equivalent results, whether working with ##\ \displaystyle \frac{1}{v^2-9} \ ## or working with ##\ \displaystyle \frac{1}{9-v^2} \ ##. Each is just the negative of the other.

(Easier if using 6 for numerators.)

Decomposition of ##\ \displaystyle \frac{6}{v^2-9} \ ## is ## \displaystyle \ \frac{1}{(v-3)} - \frac{1}{(v+3)} \,. ##

Decomposition of ##\ \displaystyle \frac{6}{9-v^2} \ ## is ## \displaystyle \ \frac{1}{(3-v)} + \frac{1}{(3+v)} \,. ##

Can you see that they are opposites?
 
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  • #33
Its because we have the absolute value . We need to check what happens to the expression inside the absolute value, that's why we check for v<3 or v>3.
The other way to remove the absolute values is to raise both sides of the equation to the power of 2, but this will create more problems than it will solve.
 
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