Differential equation for air resistance

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation related to air resistance, specifically the equation ##\displaystyle Cv^2 - mg = m\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}##. The subject area involves nonlinear dynamics and differential equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss expressing the derivative of y with respect to v to facilitate integration. There are attempts to derive a solution and verify its correctness by checking if it satisfies the original differential equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have confirmed that the derived solution satisfies the differential equation, while others express a need for a definitive answer regarding the completeness of the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of what constitutes a valid solution.

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Participants question the definition of a solution, with varying opinions on whether the current form meets the criteria for completeness. There is also a mention of the instructor's potential expectations regarding the solution format.

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Homework Statement


Solve the differential equation ##\displaystyle Cv^2 - mg = m\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}##

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The Attempt at a Solution


The problem is nonlinear, so we need to use unconventional methods. Specifically, if we can express the derivative of y with respect to v, then we might be able to integrate in order to find y.

So ##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dv} = \frac{dy}{dt}\frac{dt}{dv} = v \frac{dt}{dv} = \frac{v}{\frac{dv}{dt}}##

But ##\displaystyle \frac{dv}{dt}## is given by ##\displaystyle \frac{C}{m}v^2 - g##, so
##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dv} = \frac{mv}{Cv^2 - mg}##

If we solve this, we get ##\displaystyle y = \frac{m}{2c} \ln{|1 - \frac{Cv^2}{mg}|}## where ##V_0 = 0##.

Is this the correct solution?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Solve the differential equation ##\displaystyle Cv^2 - mg = m\frac{d^2 y}{dt^2}##

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


The problem is nonlinear, so we need to use unconventional methods. Specifically, if we can express the derivative of y with respect to v, then we might be able to integrate in order to find y.

So ##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dv} = \frac{dy}{dt}\frac{dt}{dv} = v \frac{dt}{dv} = \frac{v}{\frac{dv}{dt}}##

But ##\displaystyle \frac{dv}{dt}## is given by ##\displaystyle \frac{C}{m}v^2 - g##, so
##\displaystyle \frac{dy}{dv} = \frac{mv}{Cv^2 - mg}##

If we solve this, we get ##\displaystyle y = \frac{m}{2c} \ln{|1 - \frac{Cv^2}{mg}|}## where ##V_0 = 0##.

Is this the correct solution?

Check this solution by taking the derivative and seeing if the differential equation is satisfied. That is something you should always do, whenever it is possible.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Check this solution by taking the derivative and seeing if the differential equation is satisfied. That is something you should always do, whenever it is possible.
Actually, it does satisfy the original equation! So is my solution the correct one?
 
bump. I need a definitive answer
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
bump. I need a definitive answer

If it satisfies the equation, of course it is.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
bump. I need a definitive answer

Cannot give you one until you say what YOU regard as a solution. I would personally regard a formula such as ##v = f(t)## or ##t =h(v)## or ##y = F(t)## or ##t = H(y)## as a solution, so that if I were given ##t## I could compute ##v## and/or ##y##. So I myself would not say you were finished, but maybe your instructor has a different opinion.

However, your relationship between ##y## and ##v## MUST BE correct if it satisfies the DE.
 

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