Unicycle Physics: Calculating Wheel Diameter & Maximum Hop Height

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The discussion revolves around the physics of unicycles, specifically focusing on the mechanical advantages of different wheel diameters and the calculations related to maximum hop height. Participants explore theoretical and mathematical approaches to these topics, including the implications of wheel size on torque and speed, as well as the energy dynamics involved in hopping techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether smaller wheel diameters provide a mechanical advantage, proposing a mathematical approach to demonstrate this using torque and force calculations.
  • Another participant agrees that smaller wheels offer a mechanical advantage but critiques the initial equations used, suggesting a different approach based on torque and power relationships.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between wheel size, torque, and speed, with some participants noting that smaller wheels may increase force but decrease speed.
  • Participants explore the maximum hop height achievable by unicyclists, with one suggesting that energy storage in the tire could play a role in the height achieved during hops.
  • Questions arise regarding what exactly is being raised during a hop, with some participants clarifying that the center of gravity may not rise as much as the wheel itself due to the rider's technique.
  • One participant proposes a method to calculate hop height based on upward forces and energy transfer, while another expresses uncertainty about the evaluation of tire energy storage.
  • There is a mention of energy demands related to maintaining stability, drawing a parallel to the dynamics of an inverted pendulum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that smaller wheels provide a mechanical advantage, but there is disagreement on the specifics of the calculations and the implications of different approaches. The discussion regarding hop height remains unresolved, with multiple perspectives on the mechanics involved.

Contextual Notes

Some equations presented are critiqued for misuse, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the energy dynamics of hopping and the role of tire stiffness. The discussion also touches on the complexity of calculating maximum hop height due to various contributing factors.

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I have two unicycle-related questions that seem fairly straightforward.

1) Do smaller wheel diameters offer a mechanical advantage? For example, would you have more leverage on a unicycle with a 20 in wheel versus a 36 in if the crank length was the same? I know from experience that you do, but how could I show this with math?

Here's my stab at it.
Assuming a 20 in (0.508 m) wheel diameter, traveling at 8 mph (3.58 m/s), with 125 mm cranks, and 150 lb (68.04 kg) unicyclist:
Ac=v2/r
Ac = (3.58 m/s)2/0.254 m = 50.46 m/s2
F=ma
F=(68.04 kg)(50.46 m/s2)
F=3433 N
torque=rF
torque = (0.125 m)(3433 N)= 429.1 Joules

Assuming a 36 in (0.9144 m) wheel diameter, all other things constant.
Ac=v2/r
Ac= (3.58 m/s)2/0.457 m = 28.04 m/s2
F=ma
F=(68.04 kg)(28.04 m/s2)
F=1907 N
torque=rF
torque = (0.125 m)(1907 N) = 238.4 Joules

I am not even sure if this makes sense.

2) I didn't know how to approach this one. I want to find the maximum hop height for a decent unicyclist. People have been known to get over one meter using two techniques: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPT7vLl15s&feature=related". A quick calculation (using (1/2)mv2=mgh for the rolling hop) shows that less that a foot of the height could come from kinetic energy at typical unicycle speeds. Is there any way to calculate the height for either of the techniques?
 
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First of all, your equations are misused and they don't make any physical sense.

Yes, smaller wheels offer a mechanical advantage.

The proper way to show it is by knowing that the torque at the crank (c) is the same as the torque at the wheel (w) (since they are part of the same unit):

Tc = Tw
Fc * Rc = Fw * Rw

or

Fw = Fc * Rc / Rw

Assuming the same force at the crank (Fc), the friction force acting between the ground and the tire (Fw) is inversely proportional to the wheel radius (Rw). The smaller the wheel, the larger the force.

Similarly, for speed (V), we know that the angular velocity (w) will be the same for the crank and the wheel:

wc = ww
Vc / Rc = Vw / Rw

or

Vw = Vc * Rw / Rc

Here, assuming the same speed at the crank (Vc), the velocity of the wheel at the ground (hence the unicycle velocity) is proportional to the wheel radius. The smaller the wheel, the lower the unicycle speed.

By changing the wheel or crank radius, you gain force and loose speed (or vice versa).

If you want to know how much torque and speed is possible with your unicycle, you are better using the power approach. The http://blog.mapawatt.com/2009/07/19/bicycle-power-watts/" is between 200 and 400 W. Power (P) is always constant throughout the mechanical system, so:

P = T * w --> torque and angular velocity is the same for the crank and the wheel
P = Fc * Vc
P = Fw * Vw

So assuming a power of 300 W, if you travel at 8 mph (3.58 m/s),the wheel friction force is 83.8 N. With a 20" wheel (0.508 m), the torque is 21.29 N.m (The proper unit for torque is not «joule», which is an energy unit). The angular velocity is 14.1 rad/s (135 rpm). You can find the foot speed and force, knowing the crank radius. These equations are true for instantaneous values or average values.

As for the wheel hop question, it is more complicated as I think there is some energy storage in the tire involved (through multiple jumps). Although my best bet to evaluate how high you can go would be:

(energy stored in tire) = (potential energy)

½kx² = mgh

Where k is the tire vertical spring stiffness (N/m) and x is the maximum tire deflection achievable.

But I'm really not sure about how to evaluate this one.
 
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2) What is being raised over one meter during a hop? Is the rider actually raising their center of gravity by a meter or just their wheel (or lowest point)?
 
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tvavanasd said:
2) What is being raised over one meter during a hop? Is the rider actually raising their center of gravity by a meter or just their wheel (or lowest point)?
The bottom of the tire is raised over one meter; the center of gravity is not raised as much because (I think) the tuck during the jump accounts for much of the height.

With some additional thought, this description seems plausible:
Upward forces = (spring force of tire)+(force applied to pedals from feet)
After using mechanics to figure out the height from these forces, I could add additional height due to the tuck and kinetic energy->potential energy transfer(the latter mainly in the "rolling hop" scenario).

If someone would check my reasoning, I would be very grateful.
jack action said:
First of all, your equations are misused and they don't make any physical sense.
I figured as much. I used the same method as a sketchy site I found and didn't think it through. Thanks for the incredibly cogent response.
 
Energy (E) is the force (Fw) times the distance traveled (d). Since we already determined that P = Fw * Vw, if we assume constant power input and constant speed, we get:

E = Pw / Vw * d

To which you might add some losses due to the friction in the mechanical components like bearings (although, very small).
 
The majority of the energy demand (in many cases) comes from the effort required to maintain stability. I think that the problem is similar to that of an inverted pendulum.
 

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