Uniform Field & Poisson equation Mismatch?

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The discussion revolves around the apparent mismatch between the results derived from the Laplacian of the electrostatic potential in a uniform electric field and the Poisson equation. Participants explore the implications of a uniform electric field in a dielectric medium and the conditions under which such a field can exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a uniform electric field E=[0,0,E_z] and derives the potential function as ψ(x,y,z)=-z E_z, noting a discrepancy when applying the Laplacian.
  • Another participant cites Gauss' Law to assert that in regions of uniform electric fields, the charge density ρ must be zero.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges that the condition ρ=0 is necessary for the existence of a uniform electric field.
  • Further elaboration is provided on Maxwell's equations, indicating that a homogeneous electric field implies zero charge density, and discusses the physical limitations of achieving a truly uniform field.
  • One participant illustrates the concept using the electrostatic potential of a point charge and the conditions under which a uniform field can be approximated, emphasizing the unphysical nature of a truly global homogeneous field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between uniform electric fields and charge density, but there is a recognition of the unphysical nature of achieving a truly uniform field in practice. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions on the original problem presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of uniform fields and the physical realizability of such conditions, as well as the dependence on specific definitions and contexts in electrostatics.

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Hi,

I'm getting some confusing results and can't figure out what is wrong
Suppose we have a uniform field

[itex]E=[0,0,E_z][/itex] in a dielectric media.

By [itex]E=-\nabla\psi[/itex] we can deduce that [itex]\psi(x,y,z)=-z E_z[/itex]

But, taking the Laplacian
[itex]\nabla^2\psi=\frac{\partial^2 (-zE_z)}{\partial z^2}=0[/itex]
does not match the results of the Poisson equation
[itex]\nabla^2\psi=-\frac{\rho}{\epsilon_m \epsilon_o}[/itex]

what am I missing?
 
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In the region where the field is uniform, the charge density is zero by Gauss' Law:

[tex]\mathbf{ \nabla } \cdot \mathbf{E} = \frac{ \partial }{ \partial z }E_z = \frac{ \rho }{ \epsilon_0 }[/tex]
 
Ahh I see. So [itex]\rho=0[/itex] is an implicit condition for us to have the uniform field in the first place?
 
Sure, you have one of Maxwell's (microscopic) equations, saying that
[tex]\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{E}=\rho[/tex]
(Heaviside-Lorentz units). This means that a homogeneous electric field necessarily leads to 0 charge density.

Of course, in nature there is no such thing as a global homogeneous field. You get such a field only in a quite unphysical situation. To that end consider the electrostatic potential of a point charge Q at rest at the position [itex]\vec{a}[/itex]. That's of course the corresponding Coulomb potential,
[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\frac{Q}{4 \pi |\vec{x}-\vec{a}|}.[/tex]
Now let [itex]|\vec{a}| \gg \vec{x}[/itex]. Then you can expand the potential around [itex]\vec{x}=0[/itex]. You find
[tex]\Phi(\vec{x})=\frac{Q}{4 \pi |\vec{a}|}+\frac{Q \vec{x} \cdot \vec{a}}{4 \pi |\vec{a}|^3}.[/tex]
Now you obtain the potential for a homogeneous field, by letting [itex]|\vec{a}| \rightarrow \infty[/itex] in such a way that [itex]Q \vec{a}/|\vec{a}|^3=-\vec{E}=\text{const}[/itex]. The constant first term you can subtract beforehand. Then you get
[tex]\Phi(\vec{x}) \rightarrow -\vec{x} \cdot \vec{E}.[/tex]
As you see you have to use an infinite charge at infinite distance to make a homogeneous electric field everywhere in space. That's a rather unphysical situation.

In practice you get a quite good approximation of a homogenous electric field between two large charged plates at small distance, in the region in the middle between the plates.
 

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