Unique skull found by river, Anybody recognize?

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The discussion revolves around the identification of a unique skull found near the Connecticut River in western Massachusetts. Participants are exploring various hypotheses regarding the skull's origin, considering it may belong to a bird or a mammal, and are analyzing its physical characteristics based on provided images.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the object is a skull or another type of bone, noting the lack of typical openings found in skulls.
  • One participant suggests that the large sagittal crest indicates a creature with strong jaws, while another counters that the upper jaw appears too small for a strong bite.
  • A participant proposes that the skull resembles that of a loon, but questions the size of the sagittal crest in comparison to known loon skulls.
  • Others mention that both opossum and fisher skulls have large sagittal crests, but note discrepancies in muzzle shape and other features that do not align with the found skull.
  • One participant discusses the possibility of the skull belonging to a marine bird, citing features such as the narrowing above the eye socket.
  • Another participant references hornbills and cassowaries as birds with crests but concludes that neither matches the skull in question.
  • Several participants share links to external resources for further exploration of skull identification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the skull's identity, with multiple competing views regarding its possible origins and characteristics remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their knowledge of skull anatomy and identification, indicating that further expertise may be needed to accurately classify the skull.

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Unique skull found by river, Anybody recognize??

I live in western Ma and found this by the Connecticut river one day...I was wondering if anybody could tell me what it might be from
IMG_3633.jpg
 
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your links are broken
 


I fixed it. I have other pictures too if they may be helpful
 


other pictures would be helpful, particularly from other angles. it is difficult to determine if it is a skull or another piece of bone from this image.

most skulls have opening other then the eye socket, and I don't immediately see that here.
 
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No idea! The large saggital crest suggests a critter with strong jaws.
 


the upper jaw seems too small for a strong bite though.

Any qualms if I share these with someone who is more likely to have specimens to compare with?
 


I think it's a bird, looks a lot like loon skull (without a beak). But that sagittal crest is HUGE. Loons are among the few birds that have sagittal crests, but that seems too much even for them.
 


Both the Opossum and the Fisher have large sagittal crest, much like the photo.
 
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I don't know what an opossum skull looks like, but a fisher skull is rather short an very powerful with sturdy jaws and lots of teeth. This skull looks like it could belong to a bird with attached (non-integral) beaks. Still at a loss though.
 
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hypatia said:
Both the Opossum and the Fisher have large sagittal crest, much like the photo.

Wrong muzzle shape for both the opossum and the fisher, though. The narrowing above the eye socket (clearly seen in IMG_3634.jpg) would be consistent with having salt glands, indicating a marine bird.
 
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I am not aware of any mammals that have a pronounced crest like that. In mammals, a large sagittal crest is a sign of large chewing muscles, yet what looks like the upper jaw seems to small for that.

A hornbill has a large crest, but it is rather thick and heavy vs. the thin one here, and it is in front of the eyes, vs. behind.

[PLAIN]http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8532/rhinoplaxvigils.jpg

A cassowary is another bird with a crest, but it too begins in front of the eyes and is a thick heavy crest.

[PLAIN]http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6414/casuariscasuariss.jpg

Neither one of them is good match for this skull in my opinion.
 
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found this, but not educated enough to make use of it

http://www.skullsite.com/index.htm
 
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After going through this site,
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[PLAIN]http://www.skullsite.com/
,[/PLAIN] there are a few bird species that do have any sort of bony crest, but none seem to be a match to this skull.

edit: Proton Soup, your post wasn't there when I replied, but seems we're thinking somewhat the same.
 
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