Uniqueness/existence for FEA with Amontons friction?

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This discussion focuses on the challenges of applying the Amontons model of friction in finite element analysis (FEA) for simulating knots under load. The author aims to determine the minimum coefficient of friction required for a square knot to hold, referencing calculations by Maddocks and Keller that suggest a value of approximately 0.24. The complexity arises from the potential for an underdetermined system due to multiple frictional forces acting on segments of the rope, leading to questions about the existence and uniqueness of solutions in this context. The discussion highlights the need for a robust physical model to address these issues in numerical simulations.

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I'm exploring a possible research project involving numerical simulations of knots. For example, I would like to be able to determine from simulations what is the lowest coefficient of friction for which a square knot holds under load. (Pencil-and-paper calculations by Maddocks and Keller with some approximations give about 0.24, but the approximations are probably not very good.) The idea is to do a finite element analysis (FEA), using the Amontons model of friction (i.e., the model of friction taught in freshman physics).

I'm now trying to sketch out what a physical model would look like, and it's not really obvious to me that the Amontons model gives a uniquely defined answer for this type of system. My idea was to do a very simple FEA in which I break up the rope into short segments (e.g., a straight rope would be a series of disks). A given segment of the rope could be in contact with as many as six other segments. We tell freshman physics students that static friction acts in the direction that tends to prevent slipping, but this seems likely to leave me with an underdetermined system, since we have as many as six frictional forces, each with two unknown components in the plane of contact, for a total of as many as 12 degrees of freedom.

Is there any reason to expect existence and uniqueness of the motion when Amontons friction is used? There are various software packages to do general-purpose FEA, so it seems like there must be some way of handling this issue...?
 
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