Uniqueness of Zeros in Functions Related by Derivatives

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The discussion revolves around two differentiable functions, f(x) and g(x), related by their derivatives, specifically f′(x) = g(x) and g′(x) = −f(x). The participants are tasked with proving the uniqueness of zeros of these functions in relation to each other.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of Rolle's Theorem in establishing the existence and uniqueness of zeros between the functions. There are attempts to reason through contradictions arising from assuming multiple zeros of the derivatives.

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed with some participants articulating their reasoning and identifying contradictions in their assumptions. There is an acknowledgment of the relationship between the functions, and examples like sin(x) and cos(x) are noted as fulfilling the properties in question. However, questions remain about the existence of non-periodic functions with similar properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the constraints of proving uniqueness without providing complete solutions, and there is an emphasis on understanding the implications of theorems in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Given 2 functions f(x) and g(x) that are differentiable everywhere on R and f′(x) = g(x) and g′(x) = −f(x). Prove that
1. Between any two consecutive zeros of f(x)=0 there is exactly one zero of g(x)=0,
2. Between any two consecutive zeros of g(x)=0 there is exactly one zero of f(x)=0.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I guess the first question has something to do with Rolle's Theorem but the theorem only states that there exists a zero of f'(x)=0 between 2 zeros of f(x), without mentioning about the uniqueness of that zero. Also I have trouble tackling the second question. Any help is appreciated, thanks!
 
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drawar said:

Homework Statement


Given 2 functions f(x) and g(x) that are differentiable everywhere on R and f′(x) = g(x) and g′(x) = −f(x). Prove that
1. Between any two consecutive zeros of f(x)=0 there is exactly one zero of g(x)=0,
2. Between any two consecutive zeros of g(x)=0 there is exactly one zero of f(x)=0.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I guess the first question has something to do with Rolle's Theorem but the theorem only states that there exists a zero of f'(x)=0 between 2 zeros of f(x), without mentioning about the uniqueness of that zero. Also I have trouble tackling the second question. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

Suppose there were two zeros of f'(x). What does that tell you about g(x)?
 
Dick said:
Suppose there were two zeros of f'(x). What does that tell you about g(x)?

A contradiction! I think I quite get what you said...

Let a and b (a < b) be 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0, i.e. f(a)=f(b)=0. By Rolle's Theorem, there exists c [itex]\in[/itex] (a,b) such that f'(c)=0, which means g(c)=0.

Suppose there were 2 zeros of f'(x) between a and b, namely c1 and c2 (a< c1 < c2 < b), then f'(c1)=f'(c2)=0, or equivalently, g(c1)=g(c2)=0. By Rolle's Theorem there exists d [itex]\in[/itex] (a,b) such that g'(d)=0. It follows that -f(d)=0 and thus f(d)=0. This is a contradiction since a and b are 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0.
Therefore there is exactly 1 zero of g(x)=0 between 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0.
 
drawar said:
A contradiction! I think I quite get what you said...

Let a and b (a < b) be 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0, i.e. f(a)=f(b)=0. By Rolle's Theorem, there exists c [itex]\in[/itex] (a,b) such that f'(c)=0, which means g(c)=0.

Suppose there were 2 zeros of f'(x) between a and b, namely c1 and c2 (a< c1 < c2 < b), then f'(c1)=f'(c2)=0, or equivalently, g(c1)=g(c2)=0. By Rolle's Theorem there exists d [itex]\in[/itex] (a,b) such that g'(d)=0. It follows that -f(d)=0 and thus f(d)=0. This is a contradiction since a and b are 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0.
Therefore there is exactly 1 zero of g(x)=0 between 2 consecutive zeros of f(x)=0.

Very nice! BTW sin(x) and cos(x) are examples of a pair of functions that have this property.
 
Dick said:
Very nice! BTW sin(x) and cos(x) are examples of a pair of functions that have this property.

Yeah thank you so much!
I wonder if there are any non-periodic functions having this property?
 

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