Unit Circle and Other Trig Questions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of right triangles within the context of the unit circle, particularly focusing on the placement of triangle legs from the terminal side of an angle. Participants explore various scenarios involving angles and their corresponding triangle configurations, as well as clarifications on the properties of the unit circle.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about where to place the leg of a right triangle when constructing it in the unit circle, particularly for an angle of 135 degrees.
  • It is noted that while many people draw the leg to the x-axis, there is no definitive reason to prefer one axis over the other for triangle construction.
  • Participants mention that the angle is typically measured counter-clockwise from the positive x-axis, and that the terminal side of 135 degrees lies in the upper left quadrant of the unit circle.
  • One participant suggests that to ensure the cosine of the triangle corresponds to the angle, the leg should be drawn to the x-axis, while others discuss the implications of drawing to the y-axis.
  • Questions arise regarding the construction of triangles when the terminal side intersects the unit circle at coordinates greater than 1, with some asserting that such cases do not represent a unit circle.
  • Concerns are raised about the opposite and adjacent sides when angles equal to pi/2, pi, 2pi, or 3pi/2 are considered, as these angles do not yield a right triangle.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the coordinates on the unit circle and the trigonometric functions cosine and sine.
  • There is mention of alternative methods for drawing triangles that may not align with traditional approaches, emphasizing the importance of understanding the problem rather than adhering strictly to conventional methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the placement of triangle legs and the implications of different approaches. There is no consensus on a singular method for constructing right triangles in the unit circle, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the handling of angles and triangle properties.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the placement of triangle legs and the nature of angles that do not yield right triangles. The discussion reflects a reliance on definitions and assumptions that may not be universally accepted.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning about trigonometry and the unit circle, educators seeking to understand common points of confusion, and anyone interested in the geometric interpretations of trigonometric concepts.

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When creating a right triangle in a unit circle how do you know where to place the leg from the terminal side? My textbook and Khan academy don't really explain this and it's just sort of assumed that I'd know. For example, If theta is equal to 135 degrees, where does the leg to complete the right triangle get placed? The y-axis or the x-axis?
 
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Most people draw the leg to the x-axis, but there is no reason one way would be better than another. In this case ##\frac \pi 2 < \theta < \pi##, so if you drew the leg to the x-axis, your triangle will have an angle at the origin measuring ##\pi - \theta##. If you drew the leg to the y-axis, you would have an angle at the origin measuring ##\theta - \frac \pi 2##. Once you have dealt with the right triangle, be sure to account for your signs; in this quadrant, cosine is negative and sine is positive.
 
onemic said:
When creating a right triangle in a unit circle how do you know where to place the leg from the terminal side? My textbook and Khan academy don't really explain this and it's just sort of assumed that I'd know. For example, If theta is equal to 135 degrees, where does the leg to complete the right triangle get placed? The y-axis or the x-axis?
The initial side is usually placed on the positive x-axis. The angle is usually measured counter-clockwise from the pos. x-axis. An angle of 135 degrees would have its terminal side halfway into the upper left quadrant of the unit circle.
 
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Most people draw the leg to the x-axis, but there is no reason one way would be better than another. In this case ##\frac \pi 2 < \theta < \pi##, so if you drew the leg to the x-axis, your triangle will have an angle at the origin measuring ##\pi - \theta##. If you drew the leg to the y-axis, you would have an angle at the origin measuring ##\theta - \frac \pi 2##. Once you have dealt with the right triangle, be sure to account for your signs; in this quadrant, cosine is negative and sine is positive.

Ah, so I can always draw the leg to the x axis? I was getting confused because sometimes the leg from the terminal side would be drawn to the x-axis and sometimes the y axis

Mark44 said:
The initial side is usually placed on the positive x-axis. The angle is usually measured counter-clockwise from the pos. x-axis. An angle of 135 degrees would have its terminal side halfway into the upper left quadrant of the unit circle.

That I know, but I'm specifically talking about the leg drawn from the terminal side to complete the right triangle.
 
onemic said:
Ah, so I can always draw the leg to the x axis? I was getting confused because sometimes the leg from the terminal side would be drawn to the x-axis and sometimes the y axis
That I know, but I'm specifically talking about the leg drawn from the terminal side to complete the right triangle.
It should be drawn down to the x-axis (for angles between 0 and 180 degrees, or up to the x-axis for angles between 180 and 360 degrees.
 
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If you want the cosine of your right triangle to be the cosine of your angle, you should draw to the x-axis.
Try it out.
##\cos \frac{2\pi}{3} = -1/2##
If you draw the leg to the x-axis, you will have an angle at the origin of ##\pi/3## which has cosine of 1/2.
If you draw the leg to the y-axis, you will have an angle at the origin of ##\pi/6## which has cosine of ##\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}##.

In any case, you should use whichever method makes the problem simplest, and always, always draw a picture.
 
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Thanks! This helped clear up a lot.
 
Another question. There are times where I see a triangle constructed in the unit circle where the terminal side intersects the circle at coordinates greater than 1. I thought that the unit circle has a radius of one and thus any x or y coordinate that intersects the circle can never be greater than 1?

Also when theta is equal to pi/2, pi, 2pi or 3pi/2 what would the opposite and adjacent sides be equal to, since you can't create a right triangle?
 
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onemic said:
Another question. There are times where I see a triangle constructed in the unit circle where the terminal side intersects the circle at coordinates greater than 1. I thought that the unit circle has a radius of one and thus any x or y coordinate that intersects the circle can never be greater than 1?
Correct. If there are coordinates on the circle that are greater than 1 or less than -1, then it's not a unit circle.
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Also when theta is equal to pi/2, pi, 2pi or 3pi/2 what would the opposite and adjacent sides be equal to, since you can't create a right triangle?
You don't get a triangle with those angles. A better way of thinking of things is that for any point on the unit circle, with coordinates of (x, y), we have ##x = \cos(\theta)## and ##y = \sin(\theta)##. Here ##\theta## is the angle measured from the positive x-axis to the ray that extends from (0, 0) to the point (x, y) on the unit circle. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_circle.
 
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Again, you can draw any picture you like as long as it helps you understand the problem.
There might be times where you would draw the right angle at the outside of the circle (radius to tangent line), forcing the radius to be one of the legs rather than the hypotenuse. This method is not generally helpful for determining the (x,y)=(cos theta, sin theta), but might be helpful for other geometric problems.
 
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Thanks, that cleared everything up
 

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