Unit vector tangential to curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the expression for the unit vector tangential to a curve defined in spherical coordinates, specifically with the parameters r = 1 and φ = 2θ, for 0 ≤ θ ≤ π. The participants are exploring the implications of the differential length vector in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differential length vector in spherical coordinates and its components, with one participant attempting to derive the unit tangent vector from the given parameters. Another participant questions the notation used and suggests considering a Cartesian approach. Clarifications about the notation of unit vectors versus 1-forms are also raised.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants clarifying terminology and notation. There is an acknowledgment of confusion regarding the original poster's notation and the concept of the tangent vector. Some productive direction is noted as participants begin to understand the notation and the underlying concepts.

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There is a mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the definitions of differential elements and unit vectors in the context of spherical coordinates. The original poster's approach to the problem is also noted as being potentially incomplete.

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Find the expression for the unit vector tangential to the curve given in spherical coordinates by r = 1, [tex]\phi[/tex] = 2[tex]\theta[/tex], 0 [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\theta[/tex] [tex]\leq[/tex] [tex]\pi[/tex]

the equation for the differential length vector for spherical coordinates:
dl = drar + rd[tex]\theta[/tex]a[tex]\theta[/tex] + rsin([tex]\theta[/tex])d[tex]\phi[/tex]a[tex]\phi[/tex]
where ar, a[tex]\theta[/tex], and a[tex]\phi[/tex] are unit vectors

i used the equations for the curve to determine that:
dr = 0, d[tex]\phi[/tex] = 2d[tex]\theta[/tex]

by substituting into the differential length vector, i got:
rd[tex]\theta[/tex][a[tex]\theta[/tex] + 2sin([tex]\theta[/tex])a[tex]\phi[/tex]]
i know this is not a unit vector, but i am lost. i think there would need to be either a cosine or a way to get rid of that sine in the differential length vector equation for the expression to be a unit vector.
 
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I'm lost, too. Mostly because I don't get your notation. d(phi) isn't a unit vector, it's a 1-form. And I don't have any idea what a 'differential length vector' is. Maybe somebody does, but in the meantime, have you just considered treating this as a parametric equation in cartesian coordinates and working from there?
 
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my fault. when i said d(theta) and d(phi) were unit vectors i mean a(theta), a(phi).
 
Ok, I'm starting to get the notation. aphi e.g. is the vector [tex]\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi}[/tex] etc. I would not call them unit vectors (they don't have unit length). You haven't written an expression for the tangent vector itself yet. What is it? The curve's (r,theta,phi) coordinates are (1,theta,theta*2).
 

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